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Old 04-18-2012, 08:47 AM
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The chief apologizes.....this cop needs to be dealt with. Check where his left hand was going as he approached the house. Then shoots and kills the dog.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/austinkv...-28985811.html
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I'm no cop, but I think its SOP for an officer to be ready w/ his/her service weapon when approaching an unknown situation where domestic violence has been reported. And a dog can be dangerous. For all the cop knew, there was a dead woman in the house and a man and dog outside. Its unfortunate but I do not envy the job cops have.
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If this is the same story as the one on CNN, the cop also went to the wrong house.
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There have been several incidents like that lately. Wrong house, "extremely vicious" blue heeler.

Pussy cop!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sure.....once again guilty until proved innocent
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Originally Posted by Capt Dave View Post
If this is the same story as the one on CNN, the cop also went to the wrong house.
Yup
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Just the way it is in Austin. ;? Believe me when I say they have made leaps and bounds but still have a long way to go.
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Originally Posted by Libra View Post
The chief apologizes.....this cop needs to be dealt with. Check where his left hand was going as he approached the house. Then shoots and kills the dog.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/austinkv...-28985811.html

Actually if you notice the still picture prior to the dash cam the officer has his radio and tazer on his left side. Since I do it everyday I can tell you EXACTLY what he is doing with his left hand. He is turning on his portable radio when exiting his patrol vehicle. His firearm is on his right side... Also having been attacked several times by dogs and just weeks ago steps behind my partner as he got attacked by 3 dogs that packed up and attacked. Dog attacks can be very vicious... My partner was lucky, he got bit 3 times, not serious. He shot at one dog and missed, he catches some ribbing for that.... I said I move quick for a big man, I told him he was not the first person to say that .

Also the officer was DISPATCHED to that house and has a legal responsibility to be sure everyone is OK...
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Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
Actually if you notice the still picture prior to the dash cam the officer has his radio and tazer on his left side. Since I do it everyday I can tell you EXACTLY what he is doing with his left hand. He is turning on his portable radio when exiting his patrol vehicle. His firearm is on his right side... Also having been attacked several times by dogs and just weeks ago steps behind my partner as he got attacked by 3 dogs that packed up and attacked. Dog attacks can be very vicious... My partner was lucky, he got bit 3 times, not serious. He shot at one dog and missed, he catches some ribbing for that.... I said I move quick for a big man, I told him he was not the first person to say that .

Also the officer was DISPATCHED to that house and has a legal responsibility to be sure everyone is OK...
Cracker, isn't there some officer judgement involved? There was a similiar shooting last year where a Labrador was involved and in the film the dog wasn't vicious or attacking. I have a hard time believing that a Blue Heeler would be vicious either. Don't get me wrong. I fully support LE and hats off to what you guys go through. It just seems that some the recent shootings of dogs were totally uncesessary.
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Originally Posted by Shag View Post
Cracker, isn't there some officer judgement involved? There was a similiar shooting last year where a Labrador was involved and in the film the dog wasn't vicious or attacking. I have a hard time believing that a Blue Heeler would be vicious either. Don't get me wrong. I fully support LE and hats off to what you guys go through. It just seems that some the recent shootings of dogs were totally uncesessary.
EVERYTHING we do relies on good judgement. No one will know what the dog was actually doing at the time of the incident but my post was two really say two things

1. He was NOT doing anything (like pulling his weapon) when he exited the vehicle

2. When it comes to animals anything can happen. The most timid animal can become aggressive just because it can sense an authoritative voice that might be questioning their master or whatever... Some dogs are triggered by uniforms (mailman, UPS etc)

The officer probably comes in contact with dogs every week, something happened that was different that day that caused him to shoot. ;?
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Here is a little more info...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...comm_ref=false
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I read that it was a black dog with skittles.
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I sent them an e-mail and here is their response.

Thank you for your e-mail. We aren't ignoring the tragic death of Cisco the dog. We are conducting a comprehensive review of the incident to include the officer's actions, as well as our protocols/training and will report our findings to Mr. Paxton and the community we serve. On April 6, 2012, Good Friday, an Austin Police Officer was gunned down and murdered when he responded to a call of a "disturbance" at a Wal-Mart.

This death had a profound impact on our officers, and part of our current on-going reviewing is what impact, if any, did this recent tragedy have on our officer in terms of how he approached this incident and how he responded: Did hyper-vigilance play a roll, are our training, response protocols and policy best practices, what did the responding officer do right, what did he do wrong, what corrective action, if any is warranted, and what are the lessons learned. These are a lot of questions that have to be thoroughly explored and we can not allow a mob mentality to influence our follow-up in this matter.

Again, all of these issues are being reviewed and our findings will be released. I am confident that as a result of Cisco's death, some positive outcomes will result which will make it safer for our officers, the community we serve, and the pets we all love.
 
I have personally spoken to Mr. Paxton on more than one occasion and I publicly and privately expressed my condolences and apologized to him for the loss of his companion.

Please give us time to conduct a thorough and thoughtful review.


Sincerely,

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Wow, that article sends a new light. Cops goes to wrong house, enters the property unannounced, holds innocent homeowner thats playing with his dog at gun point then shoots dog point blank. Doesn't look like good or sound judgement used here.
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That's messed up.
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No doubt within minutes the officer had regretted the situation...he was not a jerk...things just went south in a big hurry here.

And the officer was going into an unknown situation...in which many officers are killed..and that is a domestic call.

Just a very unfortunate and sad situation...and I think preventable.

Even on the facebook page the owner of the dog has set up "Justice for Cisco" the dogs owner states he only wants constructive comments and will not allow any bashing of the officer involved.
A good deal of class being shown there.


http://www.facebook.com/JusticeForCisco


"Justice for Cisco
12 hours ago
ONCE AGAIN.
I WILL NOT TOLERATE DEFAMATORY COMMENTS TOWARDS LAW ENFORCEMENT, OR OFFICER GRIFFIN. I WILL HAVE YOUR COMMENT DELETED AND BLOCK YOU.

THIS PAGE IS FOR POSITIVE CHANGE. NOT NEGATIVE DEFAMATORY COMMENTS THAT DEFEAT EVERY STEP FORWARD WE MAKE FOR CISCO.

SINCERELY,
MICHAEL PAXTON
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Shag View Post
I sent them an e-mail and here is their response.

Thank you for your e-mail. We aren't ignoring the tragic death of Cisco the dog. We are conducting a comprehensive review of the incident to include the officer's actions, as well as our protocols/training and will report our findings to Mr. Paxton and the community we serve. On April 6, 2012, Good Friday, an Austin Police Officer was gunned down and murdered when he responded to a call of a "disturbance" at a Wal-Mart.

This death had a profound impact on our officers, and part of our current on-going reviewing is what impact, if any, did this recent tragedy have on our officer in terms of how he approached this incident and how he responded: Did hyper-vigilance play a roll, are our training, response protocols and policy best practices, what did the responding officer do right, what did he do wrong, what corrective action, if any is warranted, and what are the lessons learned. These are a lot of questions that have to be thoroughly explored and we can not allow a mob mentality to influence our follow-up in this matter.

Again, all of these issues are being reviewed and our findings will be released. I am confident that as a result of Cisco's death, some positive outcomes will result which will make it safer for our officers, the community we serve, and the pets we all love.
 
I have personally spoken to Mr. Paxton on more than one occasion and I publicly and privately expressed my condolences and apologized to him for the loss of his companion.

Please give us time to conduct a thorough and thoughtful review.


Sincerely,

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Austin Police Department
Wow, I wonder if the officer that was shot received as much concern and attention as this dog has.;?
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Two points:

1 - You can clearly here the dog starts barking when the officer approaches says "Hey, show me you hands." Arff-arff. "Show me your hands." Arff-arff. "Hey, get your dog!" Arff. Bang.

That indicates some aggression on the part of the dog. I doubt the officer is going to shoot in the vicinity of the guy just to pop a barking dog, so I suspect the dog was barking and charging the officer. ALL DOGS are territorial animals.

2 - If the property with the blue house is where the guy and his dog was, the dog was not confined, and since the officer said "get your dog", the dog also wasn't tethered and not under the control of its owner.

It is an unfortunate event, but the dog's owner is responsible for controlling his animal. Just like the mailman delivering the mail, the officer should be able to approach the house without any threat from an animal.
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Wow, I wonder if the officer that was shot received as much concern and attention as this dog has.;?
No Sir he hasn't. So many racial tensions in that town they didn't want it to get blown out of proportion. Seems to be more concerned animal lovers...
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Wow.. a dog barks and gets shot..?? When anyone comes on my property, both my dogs bark and may approach the person, but not in an aggressive maner. I guess they'd both get shot if it was an officer and he was already holding me at gunpoint? Something is bad wrong here!

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