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Old 04-17-2012, 07:32 AM
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http://www.westcoasthighliners.com/s...lion-killings/

Article states how sea lions are being humanely killed after ignoring strong warnings, hazing, explosives and incessant, whiny government officials telling them to stop eating their dinner. Once a problem child is identified, they are led away to be killed (albeit mercifully) so they won't try and sustain their existence by consuming a unusually vocal group's preferred species. One judge thought taking 92 individuals was going too far and only allowed 30 to be taken out of the population.

So, watch what you eat and watch which judge you appear before.
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:41 AM
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Kali should make a priority list for euthanasia, #1 start w/politicians. ya'll can continue with the list.
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I could only hope that Dr's will be allowed to euthanize people when they request due to being terminally ill. I watched my mom die for 20 years, the last year was just horrible. Dr. Jack did the human race proud.
You can put a suffering dog down but they won't put a suffering human down. Something is wrong with that period.

I have watched two people slowly and painfully die its not fun nor something that should be allowed.
A tick off topic but yes I think people should have the option no doubt
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let's be honest, the world would be a much better place if we allowed euthanasia and let natural selection run its course more often. However the more practical option to state-sponsored killing is to create a niche in the hunting community and open a sea lion season where you can manage the harvest, people can benefit (sea lion BBQ and sea lion fur coats) and licensing fees can help balance budgets or go towards scientific studies.
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I remember a comedian, might have been George Carlin, say: "Dolphin-safe tuna. Great if you're a dolphin, but not so much if you're the tuna."
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Here is the Merriem Webster definition of euthanasia.

Definition of EUTHANASIA

: the act or practice of killing or permitting the death of hopelessly sick or injured individuals (as persons or domestic animals) in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:24 AM
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I hate to break it to y'all, but I didn't start a thread about euthanasia. It was just a shock-title to garner interest and increase readership.


It IS about our wacky Fish and Wildlife / NOAA trying stupid, ill-thought stuff to control a problem that doesn't exist. Next time I'll be more specific and if this gets back on track, mebbe I'll even add a POLE to my next thread.
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Will it be a stripper pole? I like those! "The pretty young girl on the vertical trapeze."

OHHH.... you meant a "poll".

Why you blame Fish and Game? Let's place the blame where it squarely lies - enviros. We've got to save the sealions, we've got to save the otters, we've got to save <insert whatever the hell here>. So, protections are enacted, populations grow out of control, and all of a sudden, these cute little fuzzy sea critters are decimating an entire species that was normally fine within nature's well-engineered system of checks and balances. Add to that man building damns and creating human-made choke point feeding grounds for the sea dogs.

Have ya been to California? Have ya been to the West Coast? Have ya ever tried fishing there? The sea lions are outta control, even more so because their natural predators have been finned to make soup for the Chinese. While I'm not about killing any viable creature, a few less sea lions ain't no great loss because we've artificially propped up their populations and are now paying the price in loss of salmon.

Flip a coin - which species should you save and which should die?
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:37 AM
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The Fish and Wildlife and other gov't agencies are often painted by the public as foolish and addle brained by sportsmen, when it is the powerful interests form behind the scenes, that pull the strings.

THe public is so conditioned to blame anything paid for by public money, that when an actual group steps forward with their best interests at heart, they automatically shout them down and unknowingly do the bidding of the powerful interest.

Just hilarious to see this over and over.
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Originally Posted by aln View Post
The Fish and Wildlife and other gov't agencies are often painted by the public as foolish and addle brained by sportsmen, when it is the powerful interests form behind the scenes, that pull the strings.

THe public is so conditioned to blame anything paid for by public money, that when an actual group steps forward with their best interests at heart, they automatically shout them down and unknowingly do the bidding of the powerful interest.

Just hilarious to see this over and over.
We are quite the puppet sometimes, I'll agree 100%..

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Will it be a stripper pole? I like those! "The pretty young girl on the vertical trapeze."
Ya had some good points, but for some reason I focused in on this and my mind wandered!
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Originally Posted by grouperkng View Post
I could only hope that Dr's will be allowed to euthanize people when they request due to being terminally ill. I watched my mom die for 20 years, the last year was just horrible. Dr. Jack did the human race proud.
You can put a suffering dog down but they won't put a suffering human down. Something is wrong with that period.

I have watched two people slowly and painfully die its not fun nor something that should be allowed.
A tick off topic but yes I think people should have the option no doubt
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by nevermind... View Post
I hate to break it to y'all, but I didn't start a thread about euthanasia. It was just a shock-title to garner interest and increase readership.


It IS about our wacky Fish and Wildlife / NOAA trying stupid, ill-thought stuff to control a problem that doesn't exist. Next time I'll be more specific and if this gets back on track, mebbe I'll even add a POLE to my next thread.
oh, well then "nevermind...." since you only insert words into titles for shock value.
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Originally Posted by grouperkng View Post
I could only hope that Dr's will be allowed to euthanize people when they request due to being terminally ill. I watched my mom die for 20 years, the last year was just horrible. Dr. Jack did the human race proud.
You can put a suffering dog down but they won't put a suffering human down. Something is wrong with that period.

I have watched two people slowly and painfully die its not fun nor something that should be allowed.
A tick off topic but yes I think people should have the option no doubt
Jon I hear you man. Just watched my mother die last year although it wasn't as prolonged as yours.

Tough topic. Hospice wasn't exactly euthanizing but they kept her so doped up on morphine she eventually succumbed to not eating or drinking. It was 8 days of anguish see her go that way.
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oh, well then "nevermind...." since you only insert words into titles for shock value.
AND to increase readership. What are your thoughts on the Pole?
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sea lions are being humanely killed after ignoring strong warnings, hazing, explosives and incessant, whiny government officials telling them to stop eating their dinner.

So the sea lions just blatantly ignored the warnings and hazing? Did they try to translate these warnings into whatever language sea lions speak? Why didn't the DNR just create a daily catch limit for the sea lions to abide by just like people?
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Have ya been to California? Have ya been to the West Coast? Have ya ever tried fishing there? The sea lions are outta control, even more so because their natural predators have been finned to make soup for the Chinese.
Their natural predator is "fluffy" ... the great white shark, which is also protected, and, like the sea lion, also over-populated. Over population of sea lions is its own problem. Over population of fluffy means people playing in the ocean become potential meals.


While I'm not about killing any viable creature, a few less sea lions ain't no great loss because we've artificially propped up their populations and are now paying the price in loss of salmon.
The last time the sea lion population was counted (about 20+ years ago) the heard was at 125% of its natural size. And yes, you are spot on about the problems they cause, including the sinking of boats in marinas. Sea lions should be opened to an annual hunt for the fur.
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Their natural predator is "fluffy" ... the great white shark, which is also protected, and, like the sea lion, also over-populated. Over population of sea lions is its own problem. Over population of fluffy means people playing in the ocean become potential meals.

The last time the sea lion population was counted (about 20+ years ago) the heard was at 125% of its natural size. And yes, you are spot on about the problems they cause, including the sinking of boats in marinas. Sea lions should be opened to an annual hunt for the fur.
Don't forget Free Willy - the "other" sea lion predator. Did you know that orcas are either fish eaters or they are mammal (sea lions, otters, porpoise, whales) eaters? All depends on which pod they are born into. Some pods eat only fish and that's all the young orca ever knows to eat. The ones born into mammal eating pods learn more about hunting to survive, but they never know to eat fish. All Free Willy types in Sea World are from fish eating pods -- they don't know (well, most don't) that they can eat the bastard trainers that make them jump through flaming hoops and other assorted nonsense.

Last time I was in bleeding heart central, San Francisco, the stench of the sea lions that have taken over the docks near Fisherman's Wharf area was totally obnoxious. All I could think of was that there needs to be an open season on the fat bastards. Agreed on the marinas - some of the damage they have done to boats is incredible.

All in the name of protecting cute, cuddly little sea creatures. The only sea lions I'd like to see more of? Leopard seals! They eat penguins, but they also eat other seals! I'm thinking of importing several young leopard seals and releasing them in SanFran Bay. They should have a field day!
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We may need to broaden our humane horizons a wee bit to include the Leopard Seal as a primary dispatcher of societal whimsy. Personally, I think it was quick and relatively painless, at least as much as a toothy beheading can be!
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