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Old 04-14-2012, 11:11 AM
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This guy was effectively tortured and murdered by deputies inside of a county jail. So what. It is that last line in red that I copied here that has me wondering about the mental stability of law enforcement officers working in county jails.


The family of an Orange County jail inmate who died in 2008 after an altercation with deputies will receive a $2.1 million settlement from the county.

The death of Jason Jesus Gomez on April 1, 2008, generated headlines because he was among several inmates who died or were injured after being shot with a Taser by deputies.

The incidents led to a new department policy that Tasers could not be used on inmates who had been handcuffed or otherwise subdued.

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So, previously, Orange Co Calif deputies were ok to use Tazers on someone that was subdued?!?

Here is the victim's hands as he lay in a hospital bed, brain dead, before they removed the life support. The marks are from repeated contact with a stun gun.

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Obviously, you have never had to deal with a combatant that is handcuffed. Just because you bind their hands doesn't mean they can't or won't hurt you. Some folks are extremely dangerous... Even while cuffed...

Now, having said that, if the deputies are guilty of abuse they should've have been punished.

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Old 04-14-2012, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by macabear View Post

Obviously, you have never had to deal with a combatant while handcuffed.

And just as obviously, your comment has nothing to do with what I am talking about.


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... Tasers could not be used on inmates who had been handcuffed or otherwise subdued.
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I was going by the "Handcuffed or otherwise subdued" part. Which is saying that being handcuffed is the same or the equivalent to being subdued..

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sub·dued[ səb dd ]ADJECTIVE
1. not harsh: not bright, loud, or intense, or made less bright, loud, or intense
"subdued lighting"
2. low-spirited: sad or in low spirits
3. quiet: quiet and restrained"speaking in subdued tones"


Again, I'm afraid that is not true.

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Come on Eyeball, even the black knight was very dangerous with both arms missing.

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Come on Eyeball, even the black knight was very dangerous with both arms missing.

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Originally Posted by macabear View Post
I was going by the "Handcuffed or otherwise subdued" part. Which is saying that being handcuffed is the same or the equivalent to being subdued..

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sub·dued[ səb dd ]ADJECTIVE
1. not harsh: not bright, loud, or intense, or made less bright, loud, or intense
"subdued lighting"
2. low-spirited: sad or in low spirits
3. quiet: quiet and restrained"speaking in subdued tones"


Again, I'm afraid that is not true.

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Did you read the article?

Also from the same article article:

Sheriff’s Cmdr. Steve Kea said he could not comment on the Gomez case, but stressed that several reforms have been made to make deputies more accountable when they use force. Such incidents are more scrutinized under the new review system, Kea said.

[suggesting they were not accountable for the use of force before! ]

In fact, Steering praised Sheriff Sandra Hutchens and her staff for “attempting to reform the culture of violence and cruelty practiced by jail deputiesunder the former administration.

Note: we are talking about sworn law enforcement officers here ... in the 21st century!!! This is California, not Macon County, Georgia.

I'd really like to see any LEO try to explain/justify those electrode makes on the hands of the victim.

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Originally Posted by Eyeball View Post
Did you read the article?
Yes.

Sheriff’s Cmdr. Steve Kea said he could not comment on the Gomez case, but stressed that several reforms have been made to make deputies more accountable when they use force. Such incidents are more scrutinized under the new review system, Kea said.
[suggesting they were not accountable for the use of force before! ]
According to what I read and just underlined, it did NOT suggest they were not accountabke before this incident. It merely says that there will be MORE accountability.



Note: we are talking about sworn law enforcement officers here ... in the 21st century!!! This is California, not Macon County, Georgia.
What difference does it make where this occurred? What are you insinuating when you post, "This isn't Macon County, Georgia"?

I'd really like to see any LEO try to explain/justify those electrode makes on the hands of the victim.
Again, as I posted before... If there is abuse, it should be addressed. But we are on a slippery slope in this country where the rights of the criminal are becoming more important than the rights of the victims and law enforcement. And that my friend is a recipe for disaster.

What you read about is a small percentage of the scum and garbage these LEO's have to deal with on a 24/7 basis. Being spit on, bitten, cursed at, hit, shot at, etc... Anything you can think of, these guys go through just to keep us safe. Believe me, I know...

I have a real good idea, don't want to be put in a position to be harmed by a police officer? Don't be a criminal... Or better yet, don't be a noncooperative criminal. If they just can't help but to be a criminal, be a nice one...
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The guy died of a choke hold of some sort.
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Re: you have never had to deal with a combatant while handcuffed

No, but I don't imagine I would be very effective, being handcuffed and all.
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Originally Posted by Boat Bum View Post
Re: you have never had to deal with a combatant while handcuffed

No, but I don't imagine I would be very effective, being handcuffed and all.


You're exactly right. Wouldn't be very effective at all would you?.... I know you understood, but I should have worded it correctly. In fact, I corrected it....

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Some people are scumbags, dirtbags, and douchebags. Cops are people too.
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Originally Posted by Nasty Wendy View Post
Some people are scumbags, dirtbags, and douchebags. Cops are people too.
That is a true statement...

No different than any of us. Good and bad in every profession.
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Originally Posted by Eyeball View Post
Did you read the article?

Also from the same article article:

Sheriff’s Cmdr. Steve Kea said he could not comment on the Gomez case, but stressed that several reforms have been made to make deputies more accountable when they use force. Such incidents are more scrutinized under the new review system, Kea said.

[suggesting they were not accountable for the use of force before! ]

In fact, Steering praised Sheriff Sandra Hutchens and her staff for “attempting to reform the culture of violence and cruelty practiced by jail deputiesunder the former administration.

Note: we are talking about sworn law enforcement officers here ... in the 21st century!!! This is California, not Macon County, Georgia.

I'd really like to see any LEO try to explain/justify those electrode makes on the hands of the victim.


also in the article, but Eyeball did not mention or cite......
Gomez’s mental health had deteriorated to the point where he was placed in the jail’s psychiatric ward. When the nurse finally arrived to give him medication, Gomez fractured her arm, Steering said.
Deputies responded and attempted to place Gomez in a straitjacket, but he threw soapy water on the floor of the cell, so deputies would slip, Steering said.
Gomez also threw his mattress against the bars, hoping to prevent deputies from initially shooting him with Taser darts. Gomez fought and spat at deputies, biting one jailer on the finger. He eventually was overcome and handcuffed on the floor outside his cell.
He was placed in leg irons, put in a wheelchair and fitted with a spit mask.....




Yes, Eyeball, I have read the article. Looks like this "genteel child of god" was subdued and passive. LEO's should have read scriptures with him instead of using a taser.

The taser's had nothing to do with him stopping breathing. Nice red herring. You fell completely for the media/lawyer bait and switch issue in your attempt to bash taser use by LEO's.

No doubt, the staff suffocated the man, and this resulted in his brain death. That is the real tragedy. That, plus (if you believe the article) he should have received his antiPSYCHOTIC medicines while incarcerated.

Lastly, Eyeball, are you a racist????? Lots of good people live in Georgia. Many have black skin. Are people in Orange County better than Georgians? Why???
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Originally Posted by Boat Bum View Post
Re: you have never had to deal with a combatant while handcuffed

No, but I don't imagine I would be very effective, being handcuffed and all.
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You're exactly right. Wouldn't be very effective at all would you?.... I know you understood, but I should have worded it correctly. In fact, I corrected it....

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Of course I got the intent, I wasn't trying to be tedious I was just trying to make the point it would be tough to struggle with handcuffs on. OK, I was poking a little. 8)
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This is why eyeball is on the ignore list. A very useful feature here at THT.
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Originally Posted by Eyeball View Post
This guy was effectively tortured and murdered by deputies inside of a county jail.......
hey..... arent you the same pussy that is against using sting rays to catch jewfish?
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Wonder what this man was in jail for in the first place.
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Eyeball,

I (a Macon County, Ga resident) respectfully request that go enter yourself in the "Everyday examples of doucebaggery" thread.
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Originally Posted by dssmith View Post
also in the article, but Eyeball did not mention or cite......
Gomez’s mental health had deteriorated to the point where he was placed in the jail’s psychiatric ward. When the nurse finally arrived to give him medication, Gomez fractured her arm, Steering said.
Deputies responded and attempted to place Gomez in a straitjacket, but he threw soapy water on the floor of the cell, so deputies would slip, Steering said.
Gomez also threw his mattress against the bars, hoping to prevent deputies from initially shooting him with Taser darts. Gomez fought and spat at deputies, biting one jailer on the finger. He eventually was overcome and handcuffed on the floor outside his cell.
He was placed in leg irons, put in a wheelchair and fitted with a spit mask.....




Yes, Eyeball, I have read the article. Looks like this "genteel child of god" was subdued and passive. LEO's should have read scriptures with him instead of using a taser.

The taser's had nothing to do with him stopping breathing. Nice red herring. You fell completely for the media/lawyer bait and switch issue in your attempt to bash taser use by LEO's.

No doubt, the staff suffocated the man, and this resulted in his brain death. That is the real tragedy. That, plus (if you believe the article) he should have received his antiPSYCHOTIC medicines while incarcerated.

Lastly, Eyeball, are you a racist????? Lots of good people live in Georgia. Many have black skin. Are people in Orange County better than Georgians? Why???
Facts man, move along! We have Eyeball's medical opinion the guy got hand injuries from being tazed to death, we don't need no stinkin' facts!
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