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Old 04-13-2012, 10:11 AM
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Thats going to leave a mark.

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Old 04-13-2012, 10:22 AM
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Love the final approach to the runway.
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Lesson one: life is tough.... even tougher if you're stupid
Lesson two: Hang on tight!!!!!
Lesson three: nice girl helping...
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can she spell "darwin award"? LOL
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It only takes 1 dumbass to ruin it for everyone.
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Sure looks like a broken neck (at the very least) to me. yikes

...........they don't believe in JBDs there?
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That's a good one, see similar there many times, just can't help stupid.
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+1 for the one in the Pink swimsuit that came to the rescue!
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You're not getting the full story here. The JB pilot took off from the blast pad which is prohibited according to regulations. That put the plane way too close to the fence. He did it on purpose. Blast pads are there to give distance between the airplane and the road. If the JB plane took off from the runway she likely wouldn't have been hurt. He also ran the engines up to full power before releasing the brakes which isn't standard procedure.The local newspaper said her boyfriend broke his leg and she suffered a head laceration and concussion. They were tourists.
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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
You're not getting the full story here. The JB pilot took off from the blast pad which is prohibited according to regulations. That put the plane way too close to the fence. He did it on purpose. Blast pads are there to give distance between the airplane and the road. If the JB plane took off from the runway she likely wouldn't have been hurt. He also ran the engines up to full power before releasing the brakes which isn't standard procedure.The local newspaper said her boyfriend broke his leg and she suffered a head laceration and concussion. They were tourists.

You seem to know more about this than I do but I've been to that airport......and they use every inch of that asphalt!!!
The piece of runway actually sticks out into the ocean a bit, the other end faces a mountain. When they land there you'd swear the pilot was going to hit the water since all you can see out both sides is water til the last second. When they take off the plane pulls HARD up and right to get out over the water.
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You seem to know more about this than I do but I've been to that airport......and they use every inch of that asphalt!!!
The piece of runway actually sticks out into the ocean a bit, the other end faces a mountain. When they land there you'd swear the pilot was going to hit the water since all you can see out both sides is water til the last second. When they take off the plane pulls HARD up and right to get out over the water.
I'm an airline pilot and I imagine I have landed and taken off from TNCM a few hundred times in my career. So I imagine it's not a far stretch that I probably know more than you would. Would you say so? Runway analysis never takes into account the length of the blast pad. It calculates max TO weight from the displaced threshold. You cant use the blast pad. Do some pilots use it? Very rarely. Is it allowed? No. Those that do are breaking regulations.

Those yellow chevrons are the blast pad. The runway useable for takeoff begins at the white arrows before the white bar. Area beyond that white bar can be used for landing. No portion of the runway extends into the ocean but you would know that already because you've been there!

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It's the pilots fault that she was stupid, thank god is not here (USA), or there would be a three story house boat housing a lawyers office.
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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
... They were STUPID tourists.
FIFY!

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I happen to agree that the girl was irresponsible and should be responsible for her actions but that jet blast was a whole lot stranger than what it should have been had the pilot taken off from the runway threshold. The pilot has some accountability. The blast pad is there for a reason.
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I recently saw an episode of the Myth Busters where they drove a car, a schoolbus and then an old cessna 172 behind the jet wash of a 747 (I think it was). Car, bus and Cessna were all blown away and completely smashed. With that in mind it is hard to understand how it is possible for a runway to be so close to the beach.
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What I thought was interesting were the smart family's running the opposite direction, toward the ocean.
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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
I'm an airline pilot and I imagine I have landed and taken off from TNCM a few hundred times in my career. So I imagine it's not a far stretch that I probably know more than you would. Would you say so?
ladies and gentlemen, that is an internet bitch slap!

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Originally Posted by ThreeLittleFish View Post
I'm an airline pilot and I imagine I have landed and taken off from TNCM a few hundred times in my career. So I imagine it's not a far stretch that I probably know more than you would. Would you say so? Runway analysis never takes into account the length of the blast pad. It calculates max TO weight from the displaced threshold. You cant use the blast pad. Do some pilots use it? Very rarely. Is it allowed? No. Those that do are breaking regulations.

Those yellow chevrons are the blast pad. The runway useable for takeoff begins at the white arrows before the white bar. Area beyond that white bar can be used for landing. No portion of the runway extends into the ocean but you would know that already because you've been there!

Geez, I acknowledged my limited experience level when commenting.......and who says airline pilots are arrogant

I simply remember looking out that window and thinking we were about to touch water, even thinking we would see fish any second......then sand/road/runway/touchdown in about 1 second flat.
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If I was a pilot, I'd rev em up and hold the brakes till everyone was well off shore. hehe.
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I've been to that bar more times than I can count. what the pilot did is not any different than what most other planes do on take off from St. Maarten. I have seen what happened to them many times over the years, I was there just the other week and people were doing it, in fact one of the dutch planes usually does a good brake stand for the jet wash, with plenty of people on the fence, just need to hold on better. You should see it when the 747 takes off!
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