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Old 04-08-2012, 07:00 AM
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I live in an upscale neighborhood on a flow thru canal in Fl. The city is taking a vote on using grant money to plant mangroves,encased in a coral rock enclosed pen on the seawall adjacent to my lot. The seawall is city owned property leading up to a bridge.
My objections are: loss of view,trapping of debris floating in the canal,wild growth rapidly growing over my property line and most of all: bringing the names "Dengue fever" and "Nile virus" into common use from the mosquito factory they are planting here. Also forgot to mention the misery of sand fleas coming soon.
Their selling point is the "green" issue with attraction of juvenile fish etc. Anyway,anyone have any other points I can mention in my rebuttal or is this a good thing ???
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Such areas are a great idea, but should not be built in residential areas.......
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I think your health concerns are your best argument. Ask the city if they've gone over the potential health risks with the local health department and/or the CDC.
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I'm certainly not an expert in ecology, so my post will probably be worthless...But I always thought that the mangroves looked pretty cool, and would definitely have a positive impact on the marine environment as a whole.
As far as contributing to the detrimental conditions as described in your post, I'd imagine there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of square miles of mangroves in the south,and the situations you mention don't seem to be an overwhelming result.
On the other side, wouldn't the addition of mangroves contribute to your business in some small measure??? just think of all the rashes that will be coming through your office door. (sort of kidding here)
I'm not trying to offend you here,but, could it be that you're just a spoiled, rich guy who is looking for a legitimate reason to oppose a plan that may or may not have an undesirable affect on your little "Shangri La"..
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Would it restrict the canal? I live in a mangrove swamp; we seem to do fine. BTW, the fishing around here is awesome!
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Weren't the mangroves there first?
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Unfortunately, you are going heads-up with libtards with their hands on someone else's money nad a blessing to spend it, given to them by other, supporting, libtards.

Your best option is to move.
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"riparian rights" include the right of view.
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"Billinstuart" Thanks for bringing up that point. As our view to the south will be blocked when these swamps are fully grown that's a great rebuttal and basis for further legal action. Thanks again..
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Concrete sea wall and bridge vs mangroves.......

Yes definitely go with the "view" rebuttal .....
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Concrete sea wall and bridge vs mangroves.......

Yes definitely go with the "view" rebuttal .....
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Originally Posted by skindr View Post
"Billinstuart" Thanks for bringing up that point. As our view to the south will be blocked when these swamps are fully grown that's a great rebuttal and basis for further legal action. Thanks again..

Between State and Federal EPA regs, impact studies, multiple government agency involvement, I could keep them going for years.

There is literally a ton of valuable info on the net.

http://www.llw-law.com/files/present...%20Takings.pdf

http://www.law.ufl.edu/conservation/...ual_access.pdf
http://www.flwaterfront.com/mangrove.htm

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Originally Posted by gort View Post
Concrete sea wall and bridge vs mangroves.......

Yes definitely go with the "view" rebuttal .....
exactly. brilliant. Concrete all the way!

Also, please tell me you don't fish b/c anyone who fishes knows that natural shorelines improve water quality and provide habitat for juveline fish.

I think you're using the word "swamp" somewhat out of context. If you had titled your thread "City wants to plant mangroves behind our house" it probably would have gotten different attention.
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Florida has a well developed set of riparian rights and legal challenges. The DEP/DNR website has loads of information. Seems like the "right of view" challenge was contested by someone on the west coast, and there are supporting judicial rulings on that issue.

Good luck. I was involved in a riparian rights lawsuit, and did my own research, which I presented to our attorney. I prevailed, btw,
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I like mangroves...

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Is the land already city/state owned? If so, you will have to just hope for the best. If not go buy the property from whoever they are talking to. My problem with people complaining about the view is they didn't pay for it. You bought a cheaper lot with a view to the view you wanted. It's just a matter of time before your view gets obstructed by somebody that bought the lot with the view.
I can see that you don't want the mesquitos and understandably so. If the water is already there, how much worse would it be? Estuaries (swamps as you say) are great marine life habitat. They are vital to fish populations. Being able to catch tons of juvenile species of fish in your back yard would be fun. Maybe working with the gov and not so much against them will allow you to get something both can live with. I am usually not in favor of working "with" the government but in cases like this it might be the lesser evil.
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i'd love to have the mangroves
send them over here
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I bet this is this is an attempt at “wetland mitigation” because they need to build of have built something in existing wetlands.
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There is also the "Bert J. Harris property protection act". If a governmental body does something that devalues your property, it provides for financial compensation to the aggrieved owner.
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I bet this is this is an attempt at “wetland mitigation” because they need to build of have built something in existing wetlands.
BINGO!

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"Their selling point is the "green" issue with attraction of juvenile fish etc."

Then the referendum backers should be willing to totally exempt this project from being used as a wetlands mitigation offset project.

Especially when tax dollars are to be used on the project.

Look for a big project elsewhere in the City that can not happen without major wetlands mitigation happening.
Could be a City owned project or it could be a Good Old Boys network owned project wanting someone else (taxpayers) to pay for the wetlands mitigation project.
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