Go Back  The Hull Truth - Boating and Fishing Forum > BOATING FORUMS > Dockside Chat
Reload this Page >

Ruger AR-15 (AR-556?) - INFO, please!

Notices

Ruger AR-15 (AR-556?) - INFO, please!

Old 04-07-2012, 12:11 AM
  #1  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
PLEDGER
Thread Starter
 
Bruce W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: VA
Posts: 14,983
Default Ruger AR-15 (AR-556?) - INFO, please!

My son shot a friend's Ruger AR-15 (.223) last week and really liked it. He's thinking about getting one JUST for "range use".

Neither I nor my son have ANY experience with these "black gun" types - brands, available calibers, or otherwise. We DO know that Ruger has a well-respected name, though.

He's looking for a "basic" one - no scope, lasers or other rail mounted stuff at this time - just something that could be possibly "built up"(?) later on.

Also, WHICH caliber offers the cheapest ammo (but still a GOOD caliber!) for this rifle?

What is a "good" price to pay for a new one?

Looks like Ruger calls this model an "AR-556" - is that a .223/5.56?

How hard are they to zero in for, say, 100yds. max, and could a "rookie" do this easily or should it be done by a professional?

Knowing we have a LOT of gun owners here, including the "black guns", I thought I'd ask and pass the info on to him.

Thank you for any and all comments!

Regards,
Bruce W is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 01:42 AM
  #2  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGERPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Struggleville
Posts: 7,525
Default

Around here walmart has DPMS Sportical AR for around $500. Good as any for a beginner build er up er. DPMS at walmart is a much better value. Either rifle will shoot really good at 100yrds, easy easy.

The DPMS AR is 5.56 and is capable of shooting either 5.56 or 223. The DPMS will take mods from many different mfgs, but the ruger is a good rifle. No doubt.

Any walmart can order the DPMS, but around here they have them in the case pretty much at all times.

The DPMS Sportical that walmart has started selling is the "budget" black gun rave on most sniper forums.
Bugbuster is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 05:03 AM
  #3  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Somewhere in the middle of Michigan
Posts: 10,404
Default

Ammo- 5.56 is pretty cost effective as centerfire rifle ammo goes. Has to do with the massive quantities manufactured for military use.

Getting the sights adjusted is something you can do yourself. Start at 25 yards, where it isn't so hard to get the rounds on paper even if the sights are way off. Once you have the rifle zeroed at 25 yards, then try 100 and tweak the sight elevation. A friend experienced in shooting can help with this
yarcraft91 is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 05:09 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Lower Florida Keys
Posts: 3,129
Default

Rock River Arms.
Done.
meii is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 07:14 AM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 209
Default

Buy a Colt 6920 for under a grand. It is built for the military and will last forever.
super spook is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 07:17 AM
  #6  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Palm Beach, Fl.
Posts: 7,144
Default

I think that ruger is a piston gun and not a di.
debugger is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 07:43 AM
  #7  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: St.Pete
Posts: 743
Default

Ruger is a piston gun. For the OP the difference is the operating system of the semi-auto system, in a DI system the gas is routed back to throw the bolt back filling the chamber with some of the spent gas. In a pistom system the gas pushes a rod/piston back into the chamber to throw the bolt back and chamber another round, makes for a cleaner system all in all, ie no spent gases filling the chamber each time you fire. There are arguments to the reliablity of the new system you can read til your hearts content, but for a range gun your life doesn't depend on you're fine. All good suggestions above as well, but I've got to throw my two cents in and say NOVESKE if your gonna spend the money. Once you get one you'll have the "black rifle disease" and end with a few more. Good luck
lateagain is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 07:45 AM
  #8  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Palm Beach, Fl.
Posts: 7,144
Default

Piston makes the gun slightly more expensive as well.
debugger is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 07:55 AM
  #9  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: West Carolina
Posts: 21,938
Default

I know this has nothing to do with anything but if you had put that money in Ruger stock a year ago you could have bought two today.

Whatever you get I would recommend the removable carry handle. That way you can use it with iron sights or take of the carry handle and have a flat top for a scope, dot, etc.
Shag is online now  
Old 04-07-2012, 08:04 AM
  #10  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGERPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Struggleville
Posts: 7,525
Default

S&W M and P on sale for 619 is a good deal.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...m_medium=email
Bugbuster is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 08:12 AM
  #11  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: St. Augustine, Fl
Posts: 21,829
Default

Originally Posted by Bugbuster View Post
S&W M and P on sale for 619 is a good deal.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...m_medium=email
That is a good deal
Cracker is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 08:18 AM
  #12  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: West Carolina
Posts: 21,938
Default

Go over to AR15.com and look around. Here's one "opinion" of the heirarchy of quality of AR's.

Colt
LMT
Noveski
BCM

CMMG
Bushmaster
Stag/CMT
S&W (Stag)

RRA
Armalite

DPMS
Olympic
Shag is online now  
Old 04-07-2012, 08:32 AM
  #13  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: St. Augustine, Fl
Posts: 21,829
Default

Originally Posted by Shag View Post
Go over to AR15.com and look around. Here's one "opinion" of the heirarchy of quality of AR's.

Colt
LMT
Noveski
BCM

CMMG
Bushmaster
Stag/CMT
S&W (Stag)

RRA
Armalite

DPMS
Olympic
I dont see Daniel Defense or Les Baer both good guns in there? Personally I would put DPMS or par with S&W...but everyone has an opinion...
Cracker is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 08:46 AM
  #14  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Palm Beach, Fl.
Posts: 7,144
Default

Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
I dont see Daniel Defense or Les Baer both good guns in there? Personally I would put DPMS or par with S&W...but everyone has an opinion...
And I wouldn't necessarily put the colt on top.

You don't want a carbon receiver and you do want a chrome lined barrel.

twist rate is another decision depending on the weight bullet you shoot the most.
debugger is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 08:47 AM
  #15  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Destin Fl USA
Posts: 1,135
Default

I have a dpms. I have owned colt, bushmaster, and rock river. My dpms is as good as any of them. I saw the s&w at the gun show last week. It seemed to be a pretty good deal for the money. No matter what you get, get a flat top version. The flat top will offer a place for all kinds of upgrades.
Ed
Edstillfishing is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 08:50 AM
  #16  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Palm Beach, Fl.
Posts: 7,144
Default

Originally Posted by Edstillfishing View Post
I have a dpms. I have owned colt, bushmaster, and rock river. My dpms is as good as any of them. I saw the s&w at the gun show last week. It seemed to be a pretty good deal for the money. No matter what you get, get a flat top version. The flat top will offer a place for all kinds of upgrades.
Ed
He said no scope, so he needs irons at least.
debugger is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 08:50 AM
  #17  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: St. Augustine, Fl
Posts: 21,829
Default

Originally Posted by debugger View Post
And I wouldn't necessarily put the colt on top.

You don't want a carbon receiver and you do want a chrome lined barrel.

twist rate is another decision depending on the weight bullet you shoot the most.
There are varing opinions on chrome lining too, its main purpose was keeping the barrel clean in a jungle environment... it really doesn't serve alot of a big purpose for the average shooter...IMHO
Cracker is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 09:03 AM
  #18  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Palm Beach, Fl.
Posts: 7,144
Default

Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
There are varing opinions on chrome lining too, its main purpose was keeping the barrel clean in a jungle environment... it really doesn't serve alot of a big purpose for the average shooter...IMHO
It's almost a free option from what I see these days. Slightly better wear and a little easier to clean. I've never heard anyone say they don't want it.
debugger is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 10:51 AM
  #19  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 498
Default

The ruger is a solid gun. But I would stick with di for the first venture into the black guns. just for simplicity.

I would recommend a Colt 6920, they are as rock solid as they get. And come with a removeable carry handle and infinitely customizable.

There are about a million to choose from and just about as many opinions on which to get.
buck3 is offline  
Old 04-07-2012, 11:18 AM
  #20  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 2,447
Default

buying an AR these days is like going to a car show and telling the salesman you wanna buy a truck. No specifics, just a truck. Everybody makes em now, there are literally about a hundred manufacturers to choose from. Start of inexpensive and work your way up. Everyone will have their own bias opinion on which rifle is better. I shoot a RRA that I custom built. I like it. You might not. Get chrome lined because it makes it easier to clean. And get a 5.56 because it will shoot both rounds of ammo and 5.56 is usually a bit cheaper. The brand is up to you. FWIW, Colt is not on the top of my list. Noveske is, Daniels Defense is, as well as LMT. YOU need to decide what YOU like and dislike about all of em. Most of all, have fun shooting with your son!
CLang is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread