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Old 04-06-2012, 03:06 AM
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To follow up on the post by SIM below,
I am considering a shot gun for home protection but I am real concerned about safety with my 2 young kids (age 7 and 9). I know about gun locks ect but what is everyones thoughts on how to have a shot gun that is accessable in an emergency but also doesn't have me worried about my kids messing with it?

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Old 04-06-2012, 03:29 AM
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A pump shotgun is perfect for several reasons a 2 year old cannot chamber a round, and if for some reason the gun was loaded and unlocked and he was able to pull a trigger it is almost impossible to shoot himself (just the size of it compared to a handgun) Yes there are locks but that does reduce some of the instant access nature you may want for home protection. Usually for home protection you would leave that gun loaded but no round chambered - I think that would be very safe for a 2 year old especially if the gun is out of reach - easy to do with a 2 year old.

Cracker and Shag and others with weapons expertise and real world experiences can add more - I am just looking the home logistics aspect.
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Old 04-06-2012, 04:47 AM
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When my youngest was about 8 (now 10,13,15) we started taking them shooting regularly. Now a gun is nothing new and no longer an interesting item to mess with while I'm not around. They know how to check various types to see if they are loaded and that these are NOT toys. I'm still cautious and only leave one out of the safe (but hidden) for emergencies but I've left them out before as a test and they just walk by them now.
Before......they jsut stayed locked up.
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I understand the concern. Kids the age of yours can get into almost anything.

Some people in your situation choose to use handguns and keep them, loaded, in a safe with a biometric lock, like this one.
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MVB50...3712614&sr=8-1

Access is rapid for you, but the kids can't get at the firearm.

I'm not aware of anything similar for a shotgun.
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I would best describe my children as wild indians. I'm speaking of several years ago. I was a single father with 3 wild ones and a mess of guns in my house. My kids never ever touched my guns. I laid down the law and they lived by it. Your the boss, let them know it.
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I agree completely with LI S G above. A home defense pump shotgun is the way to go.

Young kids can't chamber a round and the sound of you chambering one I gotta think would send most running without fuurther incident.
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May want to consider the S&W Governor or Tarus Judge. Both are 45 cal and are capable of shooting the 410 shotgun shell. The S&W also shoots the ACP 45 round plus the 45 colt. We keep ours loaded with the 410 00 buck for home protection with a 45 colt 2nd round. 4 oo bucks coming at you is like 4 9mm bullets. You can also get a finger safe for the night stand. Our sheriff recommended this for us.

http://www.deansafe.com/gun-safes-handgun-safes.html
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Originally Posted by yarcraft91 View Post
I understand the concern. Kids the age of yours can get into almost anything.

Some people in your situation choose to use handguns and keep them, loaded, in a safe with a biometric lock, like this one.
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MVB50...3712614&sr=8-1

Access is rapid for you, but the kids can't get at the firearm.

I'm not aware of anything similar for a shotgun.
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Originally Posted by yarcraft91 View Post
I understand the concern. Kids the age of yours can get into almost anything.

Some people in your situation choose to use handguns and keep them, loaded, in a safe with a biometric lock, like this one.
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MVB50...3712614&sr=8-1

Access is rapid for you, but the kids can't get at the firearm.

I'm not aware of anything similar for a shotgun.
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Actually I took a slightly different stance with my children and there was always a loaded guns around the house

1. I took them shooting at about 9 years old, so they could learn the guns rules (always loaded, never point a gun at anything you dont want to die etc)

2. I always told them a gun was designed to kill people and once a bullet leaves the barrell it does not stop.

3. MOST IMPORTANT...I told them if ANYTIME they wanted to look at or just handle my guns to come get me and I would be sure they were safe and they would not get in trouble..... that way it was not the forbidden fruit. Never had any problems... Also if they wanted to go shooting I made an effort to go as soon as I could...

Never had an issue

Also must say my DISCLAIMER: Florida law requires you to secure loaded firearms from children... there all some very quick opening safes and ways to do that but I still stand by training and teaching your children...

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Kids and guns don't mix, regardless of how much someone tells you they do. Regardless of what you tell them and do, they are still going to do their own thing. Everyone knows this.

Does anyone ever tell you their kids are dumb, short or ugly? Nope, they're always great, big and smart.

Racking a shotgun is more or a deterrent, when the criminal hears that, than anything. Keep the shotgun anywhere you want, talk to the kids about it but lock up the shells somewhere safe and out of touch regardless of much your kids will try to access them. However, they may very well bring their own (friend's) shells home to try it out.

Go to a police station and ask. They'll tell you the horror stories, worst case scenarios, etc.
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Originally Posted by Esuomm1 View Post
Kids and guns don't mix, regardless of how much someone tells you they do. Regardless of what you tell them and do, they are still going to do their own thing. Everyone knows this.

Does anyone ever tell you their kids are dumb, short or ugly? Nope, they're always great, big and smart.

Racking a shotgun is more or a deterrent, when the criminal hears that, than anything. Keep the shotgun anywhere you want, talk to the kids about it but lock up the shells somewhere safe and out of touch regardless of much your kids will try to access them. However, they may very well bring their own (friend's) shells home to try it out.

Go to a police station and ask. They'll tell you the horror stories, worst case scenarios, etc.
They sure did mix in our family we went shooting anytime we wanted with our father.We were around loaded guns all the time and had the respect we were taught about them! Some people should not be around a gun but this does not hold true for everyone.
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They sure did mix in our family we went shooting anytime we wanted with our father.We were around loaded guns all the time and had the respect we were taught about them! Some people should not be around a gun but this does not hold true for everyone.
Then why risk it?
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Originally Posted by Esuomm1 View Post
Kids and guns don't mix, regardless of how much someone tells you they do. Regardless of what you tell them and do, they are still going to do their own thing. Everyone knows this.

Does anyone ever tell you their kids are dumb, short or ugly? Nope, they're always great, big and smart.

Racking a shotgun is more or a deterrent, when the criminal hears that, than anything. Keep the shotgun anywhere you want, talk to the kids about it but lock up the shells somewhere safe and out of touch regardless of much your kids will try to access them. However, they may very well bring their own (friend's) shells home to try it out.

Go to a police station and ask. They'll tell you the horror stories, worst case scenarios, etc.
I guess we all have different opinions BTW I am a 23 year veteran cop..
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In addition to the trigger locks ..... separate the guns from the ammo. Ammo is real easy to hide and gun without a shell or bullet is relatively harmless. If you own a gun safe you can store both guns and ammo together without worrying.
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I guess we all have different opinions
Fair enough. Maybe I was a worse kid than you all too, just think of the worse case scenarios and that has made me too reluctant to trust our kids to do behave accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Esuomm1 View Post
Fair enough. Maybe I was a worse kid than you all too, just think of the worse case scenarios and that has made me too reluctant to trust our kids to do behave accordingly.
Securing is good BUT teaching your kid is better in my book but do both...Just saying..
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I guess we all have different opinions BTW I am a 23 year veteran cop..
Not really sure being a veteran cop matters, nor do I believe exposing kids to guns works out for everyone. I worked with a retired cop that started out with 4 healthy boys upon retirement. All grew up around guns and were taught to respect them too. One shot himself when he was 16.... We're the other underlying problems with the kid, probably so.

Differing opinions, yes.

Sorry OP.....

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Kids and guns don't mix? I'd side with Cracker on that one. Were we live, its really part of life. Not mine, but in the community, yes.

I've heard stories before we moved here where the kids used to bring their shotguns to school, so they could go hunting after school.

No one that I know of has ever been shot up here either. Accidentally or otherwise. Suicides aside.
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Originally Posted by swifty View Post
Not really sure being a veteran cop matters, nor do I believe exposing kids to guns works out for everyone. I worked with a retired cop that started out with 4 healthy boys upon retirement. All grew up around guns and were taught to respect them too. One shot himself when he was 16.... We're the other underlying problems with the kid, probably so.

Differing opinions, yes.

Sorry OP.....
My experience has been that if your kids are around guns and TAUGHT..They will respect them.... Generally in rural setting there are no gun issues WHY, because they all hunt and have been brought upo that way with dad... I also know some cops that are NOT into guns (shooting or hunting) and dont teach their kids about them...same city mentality I guess..
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