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Old 03-05-2012, 02:41 PM
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Default The Donald finally said something Smart today.

He 'Trump' finally said something today I agree with and like I've said for several years now why the hell doesn't the U.S. use it's natural gas for our vehicles and stmiulate our economy with natural gas pipelines piped to these gas stations just as we have here at our homes . Start converting the majority of the new vehicals to natural gas like we started back the 70's. Some utility companies still run natural gas in their vehicles. It's our largest commodity and we have more of it then there's oil in the oil rich mid-east.

http://www.newsmax.com/StreetTalk/Tr...2/28/id/430797

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He 'Trump' finally said something today I agree with and like I've said for several years now why the hell doesn't the U.S. use it's natural gas for our vehicles and stmiulate our economy with natural gas pipelines piped to these gas stations just as we have here at our homes . Start converting the majority of the new vehicals to natural gas like we started back the 70's. Some utility companies still run natural gas in their vehicles. It's our largest commodity and we have more of it then there's oil in the oil rich mid-east.
........ if you have a nat gas pipe to your house... why don't you get a pump and pump your own at home???? Wouldn't that be a little smarter
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I think you have to compress it, it takes up a lot of trunk space and there is that little wink/handshake between big business and the auto makers to deal with.

Go ahead and beat me up for stating the obvious.
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If the stimulus money would have been used to convert the trucking infrastructure to be able to provide CNG at truck stops and gas stations, re-imburse companies for installing the CNG equipment at the gas stations and in the trucks...can you imagine the decrease in fuel demand if our trucking industry were running on CNG instead of diesel?
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Don't look for a conspiracy behind everything. Maybe there is a valid reason.

You bet, natural gas is cheap. If you want a compressed natural gas ( CNG ) station on every corner, the cost to gear up would be enormous. A city can run a CNG bus fleet with one station. It won't work that way for personal vehicles. CNG won't be cheap.

The CNG tank is much larger than a gasoline tank. Costs about as much as your engine and needs to be replaced about every 100,000 miles based on current technology.

Still want to switch?

The Donald gave a sound bite without worrying about the economics.

Burn natural gas to generate electricity and buy an elec car.
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Originally Posted by JAGSARE1 View Post
If the stimulus money would have been used to convert the trucking infrastructure to be able to provide CNG at truck stops and gas stations, re-imburse companies for installing the CNG equipment at the gas stations and in the trucks...can you imagine the decrease in fuel demand if our trucking industry were running on CNG instead of diesel?
? I'm sure you meant to say, can you imagine the decrease in diesel demand.

Wonder what that would do in boats?
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If they can find a way to conceal all those batteries for an electric car that's only good for a few miles I'm sure they can install a tank somewhere on a vehicle.

Well lobster catcher if we had a vehicle and a company that installed the in home pumps that would be a bit smarter but we can't even get the GOC to push natural gas. By the way the Saudis have cars that run on natural gas and the U.S. has it piped over there for pennies compared to their oil they sell us. Along with using the natty gas in many other areas than just their vehicles.
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A company called Clean Energy is in the process supplying cng to all the truck stops on major interstates. It's coming.
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Originally Posted by Trout Dog View Post
A company called Clean Energy is in the process supplying cng to all the truck stops on major interstates. It's coming.
that's GREAT news
I hope it catches on quickly..
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If they can find a way to conceal all those batteries for an electric car that's only good for a few miles I'm sure they can install a tank somewhere on a vehicle.

Well lobster catcher if we had a vehicle and a company that installed the in home pumps that would be a bit smarter but we can't even get the GOC to push natural gas. By the way the Saudis have cars that run on natural gas and the U.S. has it piped over there for pennies compared to their oil they sell us. Along with using the natty gas in many other areas than just their vehicles.

It might be smarter but it probably can't happen. The road tax the gubment gets would dissaear and no roads would get fixed..
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The OEM would be very happy to build cars that burn natural gas as opposed to electric. Everyone in the industry knows electric cars is not the way for our future. CNG is ready to go, we have more then we could use fo rthe next 300 years. The gas tanks could be engineered around if the OEM had a incentive or reason to accomplish the task.

Given time and direction I have no doubt there would be a way found to compress the natural gas efficiently and cheaply.

The problem is he government believes it has all the answers with electric car. Witness "the volt.

Its right under our noses and we continue to ignore it!
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Have made a fortune with clne. It's coming boys, sons school is all nat gas, tanks are not big
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You can already get CNG setups for your home and everything to convert to it. Just break out the wallet.
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He is a day late and a dollar short. Ford has already announced a NG option for the Silverado and another truck.
3M & Chesapeake Energy just struck a deal
http://www.thetrucker.com/News/Stori...onsectors.aspx
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Ford doesn't make the Silverado....that's a BOMotors truck..
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Honda has one in production, kinda. It is actually a fuel cell. It runs on Hydrogen, which is converted from natural gas, from a home pump. ~61mpg equivalent 240mile range. Other than price (currently 3 year lease only @ $600/month). Seems to make sense only if your a tree hugger, but cool technology. Imagine what stimulus money could have done with this...

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/
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Totally disagree and agree...

CNG for vehicles ain't they way to go. Way to costly overall....BUT its the fuel of choice for power plants and homes if possible to free up the oil (gasoline) for motor vehicles.
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It's coming, and currently the one and only auto mfr. that builds their own CNG powered vehicle is Honda. Ford, GM and others are coming around, bus as of today, anything they offer is an aftermarket conversion; BAF, Altech Eco, Zavoli, Baytech, to name a few. Cummins truck engines also manufacture a CNG engine. We'd all better hope the EPA doesn't find problems associated with the "fracking" process for extracting all this new found natgas or all this will come to a screaching halt. Clean Energy is the predominant player in the game, backed by T. Boone Pickens. Infrastructure is the big hold back and the compression equipment is very costly to buy, maintain and operate. Those ginormous compressors that are needed to produce tens of thousands of cubic ft. of gas don't run on 1/2 hp electric motors. Storage for general consumer use is extremely expensive and takes a lot of space as well.
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Originally Posted by Pierless View Post

Burn natural gas to generate electricity and buy an elec car.

Distill industrial alcohol -- very cheap, very easy, federal license to distill 5000 gal/year is free -- burn it to make electricity for an electric car ... or pour it into your gas tank, up to 15% mixed with petrol, and just go.
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After about a hundred years of auto production, we have a billion cars today. In the next 40 years, we are predicted to go to 4 billion at current growth rates, mainly due to the increased purchasing power of the growing middle class in India, China, Indonesia, etc. Fossil fuel is not going to cut it, period.
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