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Old 02-15-2012, 03:38 PM
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Default Driver +1, DUI Checkpoint 0 - DUI Checkpoint Refusal Vid

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82278538/

Is this tactic state specific or will it work/fail somewhere?

I don't have the balls to do this, even if I was sober. I love the camera work and watching the officer take a hard swallow (I assume he's a bit annoyed).

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Yes, the guy handled it the way the "they're my rights, damn it!" crowd advises to handle those situations. Should work anywhere, but as you said, it takes stones.

1 - Do not consent to searches, ever. If the police have the right to search they aren't going to ask you to search.

2 - Do not get into a conversation or answer any questions. If they say you must answer, demand a lawyer.

3 - Ask if you are being detained or are you free to go.


Go for it, give it a try -- let us know how it works for you.
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I'd give it a try if I was sober, no way in hell I'd have the balls to try it if I already drank a few!
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Originally Posted by Eyeball View Post
Yes, the guy handled it the way the "they're my rights, damn it!" crowd advises to handle those situations. Should work anywhere, but as you said, it takes stones.

1 - Do not consent to searches, ever. If the police have the right to search they aren't going to ask you to search.

2 - Do not get into a conversation or answer any questions. If they say you must answer, demand a lawyer.

3 - Ask if you are being detained or are you free to go.


Go for it, give it a try -- let us know how it works for you.

Not very good in this commonwealth. And you can bet your ass if he HAD been drinking (red eyed/glassed over/smelled) they would have pursued this matter more. They would have said.."Ok, you don't want to answer....that's fine but blow into this lil machine and if it checks out you are free to go". If no answer in this state they will ask you to get out of the car and investigate further. And in the state of Virgina we don't have DWI checkpoints.... If they have a dwi checkpoint they have to advertise it in the paper like 5 days before they have it. Here we have license and registration checkpoints which don't have to put in the paper. Virginia Beach PD don't mess around.
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Wow. I'd like to hear some law enforcement folks chime in on this.
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Originally Posted by The Revenge View Post
Wow. I'd like to hear some law enforcement folks chime in on this.
I'm not LE but trust me when I say they could have pressed the issue. They just didn't feel like d*cking with some ass bag that they knew wasn't drinking. They had more important things to do like catch actual impaired drivers. But like the other guy said.... go head and tell yourself the next time you come to a checkpoint after having some drinks.." Oh I seen how to handle this on the internet".....let us know how it works out for you.
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What a DICK!!
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That was awesome.

I loved it when he asked the guy for the 2nd time what his name was.

Can I get a supervisor here!
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Yes, not a good idea to do that if you are drinking and driving. My buddy did it in Fairfax County on the way back from a day of small mouth fishing on the Shenandoah. I was in the passengers seat. It wasn't pretty.
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Here is my rant. I am one who believes any check points, DUI, registration, license, whatever you want to call it is bullshit. We don't live in a 3rd world country. I also hate it when government tells me it is a privilege to drive. What? I pay my taxes, my registration, license fee, emission fee, so on. No, I think it is my god given right to drive until I do something wrong. Who exactly (gives me this privilege) some politicians that say yes Mike is alright, give him a license. What next, are they going to tell me its a privilege we the government gives you to make love to my wife? We the government are feeling good today so out of the goodness of our heart we will grant you this privilege. NO there is a difference of qualifying for a license or like some king giving me a (privilege). By the way thinking like me will label you as a problem and will probably disqualify you from any civil service job. Now I am all for law enforcement, and I admire most in the profession, they are only doing as ordered. But really who the #$@^ does the government think they are to inconvenience the majority of law abiding folks to maybe catch a law breaker? There is only for one reason, MONEY. Rant over.

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Here is my rant. I am one who believes any check points, DUI, registration, license, whatever you want to call it is bullshit. We don't live in a 3rd world country. I also hate it when government tells me it is a privilege to drive. What? I pay my taxes, my registration, license fee, emission fee, so on. No, I think it is my god given right to drive until I do something wrong. Who exactly (gives me this privilege) some politicians that say yes Mike is alright, give him a license. What next, are they going to tell me its a privilege we the government gives you to make love to my wife? We the government are feeling good today so out of the goodness of our heart we will grant you this privilege. NO there is a difference of qualifying for a license or like some king giving me a (privilege). By the way thinking like me will label you as a problem and will probably disqualify you from any civil service job. Now I am all for law enforcement, and I admire most in the profession, they are only doing as ordered. But really who the #$@^ does the government think they are to inconvenience the majority of law abiding folks to maybe catch a law breaker? There is only for one reason, MONEY. Rant over.
Nice, whatever you want to call what you just said. I hate them setting up checkpoints as well however, I hate the asshole that goes out and thinks he can handle a few(read dozen or so) beers and then because he now has his/hers beer goggles on they also think they can drive with the best of them.
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Originally Posted by Esuomm1 View Post
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82278538/

Is this tactic state specific or will it work/fail somewhere?

I don't have the balls to do this, even if I was sober. I love the camera work and watching the officer take a hard swallow (I assume he's a bit annoyed).

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In GA:

Usually I don't chime in on these types of Posts since the Holiday Inn Express guys are smarter than me, BUT, the easier retort would have simply been "NO, officer I have not had anything thing to drink today!" PERIOD.


a. Never admit to drinking.
b. If they ask where you came from, say Church or your grandmothers.
c. Refuse all requests for Field Evaluations.
d. Refuse to Blow in any device or submit to Blood or Urine testing.



The drivers responses were not mumbled, slurred, unintelligible, thick tongued nor difficult to understand and given these are indicia of impairment the officers were smart enough to realize this was not an impaired driver. Any Task Force officer worth their salt would also have looked for eye movement, pupil dilation, nervesness, open containers, etc to provide P.C. for a DUI investigation to occur.







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Here is my rant. I am one who believes any check points, DUI, registration, license, whatever you want to call it is bullshit. We don't live in a 3rd world country. I also hate it when government tells me it is a privilege to drive. What? I pay my taxes, my registration, license fee, emission fee, so on. No, I think it is my god given right to drive until I do something wrong. Who exactly (gives me this privilege) some politicians that say yes Mike is alright, give him a license. What next, are they going to tell me its a privilege we the government gives you to make love to my wife? We the government are feeling good today so out of the goodness of our heart we will grant you this privilege. NO there is a difference of qualifying for a license or like some king giving me a (privilege). By the way thinking like me will label you as a problem and will probably disqualify you from any civil service job. Now I am all for law enforcement, and I admire most in the profession, they are only doing as ordered. But really who the #$@^ does the government think they are to inconvenience the majority of law abiding folks to maybe catch a law breaker? There is only for one reason, MONEY. Rant over.
agree 100%, by the way, they have a government secret agent now checking kids lunch box's for "APPROVED" food in the school system.

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can't they lock ya up for 48 or 72 hours just for the hell of it? Detain for something anything they can think of? They did not do it here but I am pretty sure if you are acting like an ass bag they can hook you up for some reason they find fit.
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agree 100%, by the way, they have a government secret agent now checking kids lunch box's for "APPROVED" food in the school system.
I just saw that crap on TV... I don't have a kid but if I did and made him/her a PB&J for lunch and someone went through it I would have a big issue.
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Refuse to Blow in any device or submit to Blood or Urine testing.
In NC that's an automatic 1 year revocation from DMV, even if you are found not guilty. I think you can refuse the field breathalizer but when they take you in for the "real" breathalizer and you refuse to blow, you're screwed. It ain't right but for now, it's the law.
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In NC that's an automatic 1 year revocation from DMV, even if you are found not guilty. I think you can refuse the field breathalizer but when they take you in for the "real" breathalizer and you refuse to blow, you're screwed. It ain't right but for now, it's the law.



In Georgia the officer may issue an Administrative License Suspension, which after an administrative hearing may be disposed of favorable to the driver. If the one year suspension is upheld and the DUI results in an aquittal or a conviction of a lessor charge [Reckless] the suspension is withdrawn.
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Originally Posted by Schmaltz~Herring View Post
In GA:

Usually I don't chime in on these types of Posts since the Holiday Inn Express guys are smarter than me, BUT, the easier retort would have simply been "NO, officer I have not had anything thing to drink today!" PERIOD.


a. Never admit to drinking.
b. If they ask where you came from, say Church or your grandmothers.
c. Refuse all requests for Field Evaluations.
d. Refuse to Blow in any device or submit to Blood or Urine testing.

The drivers responses were not mumbled, slurred, unintelligible, thick tongued nor difficult to understand and given these are indicia of impairment the officers were smart enough to realize this was not an impaired driver. Any Task Force officer worth their salt would also have looked for eye movement, pupil dilation, nervesness, open containers, etc to provide P.C. for a DUI investigation to occur.







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I have been told this is the best way of handling a DUI stop fortunately I have never had to attempt it seems like it could get uncomfortable refusing the tests, anybody use this technique successfully.
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Several times a year here in the Central Florida area the news will report on a prominant lawyer or LEO that gets tagged for ''suspicion of DUI''. They NEVER blow or submit to blood or urine....what does that tell you?

My lawer buddy told me, ''hypothetically'' of course, the same as Attorney Schmaltz has posted, never submit to the breathlyzer, blood or urine test. Never admit to drinking alcohol and if at all possible do not perform the roadside dance.

Cooperate in the fullest, do not be combative or argumentative. Explain to them that you will be happy to oblige them with any test as long as you have your attorney present.

You will go to jail and be charged with all of the crap that the states can charge you with but without evidence of DUI they will not prosecute and you will be able to plead to reckless.
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