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Old 02-04-2005, 01:37 PM
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I originally put this under another thread and then thought better. This is not meant to flame anyone that posted on the "concealed weapon of choice thread" but I made some some interesting observations and I have a couple of questions, NOT concerning the guns carried by anyone but the circumstances in which you choose to carry. Some of the comments are like “Not much need to carry around here”, where the hell is “here” ????? Because if it’s totally safe “there” then I want to move “there”. And another one “Do ya'll all live in the hood or something”, where is the “hood” and I won’t move there?????? Another one that is good, “But I do carry when I go somewhere that might be dangerous”. If you know it’s dangerous why are you going there???? And without a doubt the favorite, “I just think that it is foolish to carry one unless you are somewhere that you know your life may become threatened”. Hell if I knew THAT was going to happen I wouldn’t go there either!!!!!!! The point I’m trying to make here is that there is no place where a person can go and be absolutely certain that life threatening danger will not follow or be present upon your arrival. Going to the grocery store, drug store, ice cream parlor, the dry cleaners, on the way to the boat ramp, help me understand where it is “safe” enough to warrant NOT being armed???????? I do agree with this one, “By the time you call 911 it's usually too late. Law enforcement will investigate and write the reports but can't prevent the crime!!!” If I wanted a report written I would carry a Colt pen and S&W paper on a Glock clipboard and be writing as I was being shot dead in the street……..
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Old 02-04-2005, 01:49 PM
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Winston Churchill was asked by a lady at a party why a gentleman needed to carry a pistol. He replied that while a gentleman rarely needed a pistol, when the need arose it was most urgent!
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I for one like to keep a pistol in my truck at all times, especially when coming home late at night. I live in a rural area, several hundred acres of old family land, and live a good distance off the road. Areas like the one where I live have been the target of most of the bugurlaries in my county over the past few years. On my road are about 20 houses that are all realitives, over the past 2 years, there have been 9 breakin's. Only once out of these has the person been caught, which was by my cousin who pulled up as they were walking out of his garage with all of his power tools. the thief was armed with a large fixed blade knife and started toward my cousin, who was thankfully armed with a pistol. He was able to hold the guy until the sheriff's dept. got there. We would have thought that it was an issolated case, except there have been 4 breakin's since that time. Im not worried about meeting a criminal coming out of my house armed with my gun, as they are all locked up in a 2000lb safe which is anchored to a concrete slab. however, that doesn't mean that they will be unarmed, so I like to be on an even playing field. As for out in public, I can't carry to the place that I consider to be the most dangerous place to visit, the bank, due to federal law which bar's you from carrying even if you are a cwp holder.
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Old 02-04-2005, 04:21 PM
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all Honesty ...I feel safe every where I go or I don't go there!!!!!!!

Thats the bottom line cus Stone Cold said so!!!!!!!!!


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Old 02-04-2005, 04:37 PM
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I think everyone should be able to CARRY. It would even the field. Most of the people who commit gun related crimes are punks anyway. It would give them something to think about.
Gun Laws only keep honest people from owning guns. Criminals always find a way to get one.
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If you've ever read the book "The Killer Angels" you may remember this. The book is about the battle of Gettysburg and the men who fought and died there. It is an incredible read.

Anyway.

One British major who was a liaison officer with the Confederate army explained to his fellow Brits that the reason Southerners were so courteous and polite was because down South everybody wore pistols.

There's certainly a ring of truth to that.


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Old 02-04-2005, 11:06 PM
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No place is safe, but some are safer than others.

I choose not to carry for a number of reasons, but I adjust my beahavior to suit my surroundings. It is no different than not closing your garage door when you are just working in the back yard. Could someone steal your weedeater? Yes, seen it happen in about 15 seconds. Do you do it anyway? Are you making the right decision? Only you can please yourself.

The stakes are a lot higher when you are considering warding off or killing an attacker to save your life or someone elses, but it still a labor against danger or a bet on none. I bet one way, others don't.

I would be a horrible thing to use a gun on a person, and I'm just wagering that I don't need to. I may be proved wrong one day.
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Old 02-05-2005, 02:24 AM
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Bailey Boat,

At first, reading your post I had to laugh, but then reading the following threads I became sad; it's pretty sad that good folks have to live in that type of society!

WOW......I have a hard time fathom the thought of having to carry just to exist. Man I'll tell yah, that type of world doesn't exist this side of the ditch, not even in Toronto!
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Used to carry a small .25 Barreta in my truck. Stopped doing that after a few months because it made me scared. Scared i might actually use it on somebody. I live in a small city with really bad drivers. I get REALLY pissed at how inconsiderate and dangerous some people are when they try to operate a vehicle. I once got out of my truck and called a guy out who had cut me off and made me lock up the brakes to avoid hitting him - because he had to get to the MALL!! That's when i realized i have an "anger management problem" and don't need to go around armed.

I actually feel very safe just about everywhere i go. If it ain't safe, i don't go there. I have lots of guns, but don't feel the need to carry them with me anymore. Unless i want to kill something and eat it. I feel like the odds of me getting gunned down in the street are astronomically small. If someone wants to rob me at gunpoint or knifepoint or whatever, they can have it. If they're that bad off.......

Now, where i do feel the need to own a weapon is to defend my home. I'm not paranoid about it, but if somebody were to break into my house, i feel would feel justified in shooting them dead - no questions asked. If you break into someone's home, i believe that can be considered life-threatening - regardless of the circumstances. I just wouldn't have enough time to rationlize whether or not it was just the town drunk finding the wrong house or if its a desperate psycho. Break into my house and you're going to die.

But i feel perfectly safe without a weapon when i'm away from home.

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I am a life time member of the NRA so I am very pro gun and have a decent arsenal. I was, however, quite amazed at the number of folks packing heat on the other thread. This is not a criticism at all - if you want to carry then by God you should carry. Maybe I am missing something but I don't feel the need to carry a man stopper even though I live in Atlanta. Maybe this is due to the fact I avoid the "kill zones" in the city. The best offense is a good defense. In that vein, we have a home security system that is set everynight before I go to sleep.

BTW - it is my understanding that the vast majority of people that have home security systems rarely use them.....go figure. We had an attempted breakin when we first moved to Atlanta in 1986 and I can tell you that holding my SS S&W 357 made me feel all warm and fuzzy until the police showed up.
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Bailey,
I was taught by those same words quite some time ago. Nobody 'plans' to get into the middle of something. It's called being prepared.
Here in MA they have made so hard to carry I sometimes do and sometimes don't. It depends on what I doing and wearing. The days of leaving the gun in the glove box or under the seat are over here unless it has a trigger lock. To much of a hassle to abide by the law so that if you are stopped you don't take the chance of losing your LTC.
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Hydro - 2/5/2005 8:26 AM

I actually feel very safe just about everywhere i go.
as I said WOW! I can't imagine bringing up a family in that live alone living there myself.

If it ain't safe, I don't go there.
Well I guess we have a few parks at night that I wouldn't venture, but that's probably more to do with it is unfamiliar territory. Plain and simple, we just get the muggings, robbings, stabbings or shootings like our friends south of the boarder .
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One British major who was a liaison officer with the Confederate army explained to his fellow Brits that the reason Southerners were so courteous and polite was because down South everybody wore pistols.

There's certainly a ring of truth to that.

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Y'all should move to Kennesaw GA where it is AGAINST the law to not wear a gun! How about them apples!
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About 10 years ago Tampa and St. Petersburg Florida had a 2 or 3 year fad called carjacking. That is when myself and many law abidding citizens obtained conceled weapons permits.
The crimes where happening two or three times a week with injury or death to the victums.
After about a year of young punks trying to drag people out of there cars just for a cheap joy ride they lost the desire for that action, to many were getting shot in the street .
I rarely carry, but the bad guys dont know when.
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Safe.....in one mile from perfect
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I know I'm gonna take a lotta heat for this BUT...First off I AM a gun
owner..27 rifles,shotguns and muzzleoaders. Bought my 8yr old son a .22 for XMas and DO have a permit. I never carry. I read this and the other thread and both laugh and shake. Guys talk about how
one ammo is better than others like they are hunting deer. Some guys
leave their guns in the car/truck..THATS safe. And then the clowns admit carrying without a permit to protect themselves from criminals..DUH ..YOU are a criminal. Most guys I know that carry do so to act tough or have "little mans disease". Guys talk like they are just
looking for an excuse to shoot someone. Of course there ARE good reasons to carry..but not the one's given Just don't put yourself in a bad position. And the car jacking thing which sounds like a good excuse..lock your doors and use the gas pedal. Well here comes..


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Interesting responses, the only point I was trying to make was that (in my opinion) there is no place that is completely “safe” and we never know where a crime is going to be committed or where criminal types are going to be, let alone what they may have in mind. I’m old enough to remember when people fought back against crime and criminals and then it became popular to just “give them whatever they want” and they will leave you alone.
But it seems that we also went through a period where we gave them what they demanded and if it didn’t satisfy them they harmed you anyway. Car jacking used to involve just getting the vehicle, today it seems to extend to the passengers. Robberies used to involve just the money or jewelry, today you get shot whether you give them the money/jewelry/shoes or not.
I guess since they ARE criminals they DO have diminished mental capacity and therefore we SHOULD take that into consideration and make ALLOWANCES when dealing with them, but I just can’t bring myself to subscribe to that theory………….
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No problem with the question Bailey.

Safe is were you feel best. While no place can truly be absolutely safe, it's the best you can do.

I don't carry a gun myself, and for 99% of the guys that are on this forum and responded to the "Carry" thread, I don't have any sort of problem with that either. But if you would allow me to explain.

I generally fish with one of two people, one being my brother. Well everyone knows what they say about family, you can't pick'em. He loves guns, really loves guns, really really loves guns. But he is about as mature as a jacka$$ and three times as thick, with generous helping of hardhead thrown in. I don't trust him in my presence with a fire arm, I don't allow him to carry in my boat. He is very quick in his decisions and I never know when he going to get tired of fishing and decide to start playing with his pistol. Got enough holes in me, don't need no more through hulls in the boat. And the snake laying across the log really ain't bothering nobody.

The second friend is a La. State Trooper, actually a Lt. Col. with mostly admin duties now, but he was on the road for more than twenty years. As a State Trooper any time he is in public, the state of La. considers him to be onduty. So he always carries, but in the fifteen years I have been fishing with him I have seen his weapon one time. That was on the occassion of a Coast Guard safety inspection, when the Petty Officer asked if we had a weapon on board my buddy answered, yes sir. When asked for the weapon he produced it, along with his badge. The inspection was completed, the weapon was returned and he put it back where it belonged, never to be seen again. My buddy has maturity, good judgement and sound mind. That's the difference between safe and dangerous.

One more thing, I didn't respond to the "carry" thread cause I don't carry. Felt it didn't apply to me. In some of the previous weapon threads I chose to adopt a "holier than Thou Art" attitude. I now see that I should not have taken that attitude.
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Old 02-08-2005, 03:32 AM
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I also have a high cap concealed permit and am a gun owner, but never carry. Where I lived in the Midwest and live now in the northeast, and visit in Colorado, I can not justfy carrying, unless I'm going to the range or hunting. If "Safe" is planning for every contingency, then, based on my experiences, I would wear a reflective vest, an air-purifying respirator, ANSI/SNELL approved helmet, sunblock, and carry antiseptic soap, an epi-pen, a portable defribillator, and condoms. There is no doubt that the risk of dying from one of these dangers greatly exceeds the danger of not carrying a gun. I too have friends that carry and I know that they are at virtually no risk of being in a shoot out, but it's their choice.

I'm not trying to be flip here, just factual. I assess risk for a living. Tidbit: We all have a 1 in 3 chance of coming down with some form of cancer in our lifetimes. What are the chances you will actually need to shoot a gun at someone to save your life?

I strongly defend your right to carry, but I don't think it has to be justified. It's your right and I'm for it. You won't bring it in my house, around my kids, or in my car without it being unloaded and locked because there is no good reason, here, to have it in a ready state and I can assure you that your greatest danger will be the amount of cholesteral in my burgers. Where I live, it's a no-brainer and I wish everyone had the good fortune to feel as safe as I do. It's a damn shame there are so many other unsafe areas in this country.

my here: New England, NYC, northern Ohio, Western PA, Denver, CO. Also, spent the last week travelling between Savannah and Jacksonville. Talked to many locals, some of the nicest, most gracious people I've met. Never felt unsafe. Maybe they were all packing.
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