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Old 12-06-2011, 08:30 AM
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Default Painting BRICK? Laying FLAGSTONES??

...for you guys that have done this before....

If I want to whitewash/paint a brick home, do I just spray the brick with paint, or is there another step? This is a modest rental home; not the WhiteHouse, FWIW.


If I lay flagstones on a concrete pad, what medium do I use to bond/bind them?

If I lay flagstones on a slightly sloping clay ground, what do I use? Any underlayment for either? ;?
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Not sure about the painted brick. I love the look when it weathers. For the flagstone on concrete you can use any regular sand mortar. Layout the stones the way you like. Then mortar each stone trying to keep the surface level as possible. Use a 4 ft. level. Then the next day fill in around the stones with mortar. A piping bag, nipple on a bottom corner and open on the top, works best. For laying it on the ground you can just lay it down. Or you can float out the stones with sand or crushed rock screenings, the same as people do for brick pavers.
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You can spray the brick but you have to back roll it, too. Usually with a 3/4"-1" nap roller.
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As for painting the brick, first step is to pressure wash to remove dirt, mildew and loose motor and etc

Sherwin Williams makes a Masonry Conditioner that is great at applying to brick before painting

Best sprayed if you KNOW HOW to use a spray gun, if not you will get lines/waves in it where you go back and forth with spray gun. (look at painted brick buildings and you will see what I mean)

Other than that fairly simple, just prep and cover up like with any paint job
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Bama,as for painting the brick,spray it down with 50/50 bleach and water and pressure wash it. Choose a paint color that will cover the existing brick with one coat if possible.

The flagstone idea should be abandoned if used for a walking surface on rental property,it slippery than a banana peel(think liability).Use it for landscaping only.

I know it is rental property, however spend a little extra on a quality paint so you are not doing it again in 2 years.

If you go to sherwin williams,ask for the contractors discount.
If they will not give it to you PM me and i will call the manager and open an acct.I have accts in MS and LA and can probably do it over the phone.

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thanks, guys. Spraying either TSP or Clorox/Jomex first, then pressure washing is the prep phase. Spraying and backrolling wigh 3/4" ought to make it look OK and it's Pratt/Lambert exterior, so ought to last awhile (and if it doesn't, weathered is better than existing color)

The flagstones will be for my son's townhouse, so thanks for the tip about how slippery they might get because it will definitely be a walked-on surface.

rowbear, thanks for the offer. What % discount do they get (my GC days are long over) because their retail pricing keeps me going to the big box stores ($20/gal difference the last time I checked)
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Bama, 20% to 30%, Depending on quantity purchased.The store in AL may give me the bum's rush cause I have not purchased there before but it's worth a try. Price it at big box and sherwin and see if it's worth it to you.

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Originally Posted by rowbear View Post
The store in AL may give me the bum's rush .....

R U kidding? I bet they've heard of the mighty rowbear all the way over here!

thanks for the offer.
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Originally Posted by bamaboy473 View Post
R U kidding? I bet they've heard of the mighty rowbear all the way over here!

thanks for the offer.
I'm sure,after three speeding tickets in four years!

Allstate and AL have cut into my fishing budget

Offers still open,let me know if I can save couple of bucks.

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Have to ask, what's the purpose for painting the brick? To many buyers, painted brick usually means damaged brick/foundation, etc.. and can be more difficult to sell.
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Have to ask, what's the purpose for painting the brick? To many buyers, painted brick usually means damaged brick/foundation, etc.. and can be more difficult to sell.

Wow, great question that I never ever thought of. The brick is dark brown with black mortar...fugly as all getout. I painted the T111 a chamois color and the contrast is huge, so painting the brick would either go in white or continue the chamois.

Taking a lot of photos of the "before" brick would cancel concerns, I expect. Since the home is on a slab, there's nothing structural to concern myself with as far as the slab....but great question!

I already have about 20 gallons of that chamois Pratt/Lambert, so painting the brick is a matter of getting you guys' input and starting the washing process. Temps down here will be perfect for exterior painting for the next month or two.

Anything else I should consider?
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Originally Posted by bamaboy473 View Post
Wow, great question that I never ever thought of. The brick is dark brown with black mortar...fugly as all getout. I painted the T111 a chamois color and the contrast is huge, so painting the brick would either go in white or continue the chamois.

Taking a lot of photos of the "before" brick would cancel concerns, I expect. Since the home is on a slab, there's nothing structural to concern myself with as far as the slab....but great question!

I already have about 20 gallons of that chamois Pratt/Lambert, so painting the brick is a matter of getting you guys' input and starting the washing process. Temps down here will be perfect for exterior painting for the next month or two.

Anything else I should consider?
I hoped that was the reason and would do the same. Before pics should indeed clear up any later concerns.
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The flagstone idea should be abandoned if used for a walking surface on rental property,it slippery than a banana peel(think liability).Use it for landscaping only.
I don't know what kind of flagstone you've experienced, but I've probably laid a 100 ton of the stuff and have Never found it to be slippery when wet!
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Originally Posted by bamaboy473 View Post
If I lay flagstones on a concrete pad, what medium do I use to bond/bind them?

I wouldn't use mortor, I'd use portland cement....mortor holds moisture and if you get a frost all your stones will pop.

If I lay flagstones on a slightly sloping clay ground, what do I use? Any underlayment for either? ;?

I would first start off with about 4 to 6" of granite sand....well packed and then I'd do a layer of stone screening (3 - 4" worth) well packed and then I'd do 1 or 2" of granite sand to set your flagstone. Clay is a very unforgiving soil when it gets wet or frozen.
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I don't know what kind of flagstone you've experienced, but I've probably laid a 100 ton of the stuff and have Never found it to be slippery when wet!
I faced my fornt porch, front porch stairs and back patio with stone and haven't ever slipped on it. It's 100X less slippery than the brick was in the front and the concrete in the back.
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Clay expands and contracts, but I don't have the luxury of being able to add depth to his small yard area next to an existing deck.

The flagstones would have to float on something like sand base, hence the question about whether they'd disrupt easily. The grade is slight and terminates at the deck, so nothing is going to fly away, but we don't want them to move alot and bunch up next to the deck.

Slight sand base and portland between stones?
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after you put the flagstone down on the surface that you have covered in mortar or sand, checked with the level, cover the surface with sand, brush it around and try to work it down into the cracks, then sweep the remaining away
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Can you terrace the walking path so that you have long flat walks and then a single step? Or maybe modify the expansive soils with lime/fly ash/etc.
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the area that has a slight slope down toward the deck is about 12 x15 rectangle. The top of the slope is even with the top of the deck (about an 8" rise in 12').

My opinion is that he should add another deck over that area, too, and not have any yard in that area. He wants a fire pit, though, which is why we're researching options.

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