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Old 11-18-2011, 04:22 PM
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Ok all you N' easter's, i'm blaming ya'll for the high cost of the diesel I burn in my truck!

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Seriously though, I'm just curious as to why you burn Heating Oil. Don't they have Natural Gas pipelines up that way? With all the natural gas they are getting from PA marcellus shale fields, you'd think it would be a no brainer. Help a guy out will ya?
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Originally Posted by Boataholic View Post
Ok all you N' easter's, i'm blaming ya'll for the high cost of the diesel I burn in my truck!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hea..._story_popular

Seriously though, I'm just curious as to why you burn Heating Oil. Don't they have Natural Gas pipelines up that way? With all the natural gas they are getting from PA marcellus shale fields, you'd think it would be a no brainer. Help a guy out will ya?
Most of the neighborhoods at least around my area are fairly old. My development was built during the 40's and 50's. Plenty of cheap oil back then and everyone had a 250-500 gallon tank either buried in their backyard or in their garage. Natural gas did not make it to my neighborhood until the mid 80's, my parents a few miles away wasn't until 7 years ago. My brother lives in Chester Springs, they don't have public water and sewer let alone natural gas.
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Why no NG? Because the ground up there never thaws enough to be able to dig in a pipeline.
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we got rock, ledge and hard granite to expensive oh we got the worst libs greenies keep that stuff out
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I'm in Maine right now. Much too expensive to run NG around these parts. I have about 700 feet to each side of me for another house and there's only 125 residents spread over 25,000 acres. It's oil, LP, wood, coal, or get cold.

BTW your diesel truck is screwing up the cost for real trucks and heating our homes. For some there is no other choice. LP in Mass is stupid money and oil was 3.68/gal 3 weeks ago.
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Originally Posted by Mist-Rest View Post
I'm in Maine right now. Much too expensive to run NG around these parts. I have about 700 feet to each side of me for another house and there's only 125 residents spread over 25,000 acres. It's oil, LP, wood, coal, or get cold.

BTW your diesel truck is screwing up the cost for real trucks and heating our homes. For some there is no other choice. LP in Mass is stupid money and oil was 3.68/gal 3 weeks ago.
OUCH $3.68 a gallon! Guess it pays to have a woodburner as supplement? Paid $2.19 for LP last week in Ohio. Wish my truck ran on it
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I'me in an area where it isn't available but propane is. Quite a few people I know are scared of gas and wouldn't have it in their house due to frost heaving the ground.
I've burned wood, coal and oil. Oil is the most convienient.
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Originally Posted by ladyjane View Post
we got rock, ledge and hard granite to expensive oh we got the worst libs greenies keep that stuff out
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I was wondering if it might have to do with running lines in rock and such. However, I assumed if they could bury your waterlines and sewer lines, gas would not be a prob? At any rate, sucks ya don't have it.

a related article of interest- http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...d-natural-gas/
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OUCH $3.68 a gallon! Guess it pays to have a woodburner as supplement? Paid $2.19 for LP last week in Ohio. Wish my truck ran on it
I paid 3.99 today. My oil burner is still off, and I have a lot of wood.
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I paid 3.99 today. My oil burner is still off, and I have a lot of wood.

Don't feel bad. I get a .30 discount due to volume. I only had them dump 1750 gals as the price looked like it was dropping. If it starts to go up versus down then I'll top off the 4000 gal tank.
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You guys need to move to FL...
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i have natural gas. if the winter is too cold i get hit with a cold weather surcharge if its a warm winter its a warm weather surcharge for not using enough. i think in the 18 years ive been in this house i had 2 or 3 winters that i didnt pay one or the other
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3 reasons -2 comments

1. #2 oil no go boom

2. NG simply not available.

3. Propane is but it is also about 4 bucks a gallon and it only has 60% of the BTU's. Old propane/hot water systems are common up North as you don't need electricity to start and they can autocirculate the water.

4. I blame the diesel cars and trucks for the hi price of #2.

5. Wood is by far cheapest if you have a well designed system. We use wood and supplement with oil. Probably burn a cord of wood (maybe one and a half) a winter (free to me) and 400 gals of oil. Use the oil for an hour in the am and an hour in the pm to heat house and hot water on days we work. when we don't just use it for hot water. I would estimate that if I use only oil it would be 800 gals for the winter. So that wood stove saves about 1600 bucks a year. I am currently clearing the basement to add a stove there so it would heat the house more evenly. Then we could use almost no oil (and you wi be able to get diesel much much cheaper ).

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You should hear the BS that the home heating oil snakes tell the elderly... I've heard it all.

#1 "Heat oil no go "boom"
#2 "Oh, your gas line is too small"
#3 "Oh, all your neighbors have oil, don't you want it too?"
#4 "My driver, Bobby, is a good boy from the neighborhood... you know Bobby, right?"

They always fail to tell you how they'll rob, cheat and steal, and do phantom oil drops and tell you that you have a leak... then you get it tested and there is no leak, and they don't have anything to say, except to pay them. Sorry folks, but my experience with home heating oil people is they are scammers. I like having a meter and knowing exactly how much gas I use. Yeah, you can put a flow meter on your oil burner... but those snakes will give you a reason why it's wrong. No thank you.
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They tell the elderly to only put gas on a Mobil station because the car lasts longer...

Rockefellar snake oil salesman!!!
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Originally Posted by Boataholic View Post
OUCH $3.68 a gallon! Guess it pays to have a woodburner as supplement? Paid $2.19 for LP last week in Ohio. Wish my truck ran on it
I taught there was conversion kits available, have you looked on line...
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Originally Posted by ladyjane View Post
we got rock, ledge and hard granite to expensive oh we got the worst libs greenies keep that stuff out
You sound like you have plenty of gas.
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No natural gas line to my house, would you like to put one in for me?
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Originally Posted by Boataholic View Post
Ok all you N' easter's, i'm blaming ya'll for the high cost of the diesel I burn in my truck!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hea..._story_popular

Seriously though, I'm just curious as to why you burn Heating Oil. Don't they have Natural Gas pipelines up that way? With all the natural gas they are getting from PA marcellus shale fields, you'd think it would be a no brainer. Help a guy out will ya?
You are at the mercy of the gas companies. If there isn't enough homes in the area to supply, they will not install the lines.People that have used oil for years,why should they change over to NG until they have to.It is a matter of economics. The changeover is expensive.The structure of the ground has nothing to do with anything. If you can build a house on the ground you can install NG. The gas lines only have to be 18-20 inches deep in this area. The high cost of diesel comes from the cost of refining.Ha ha ha . If they would build new refineries the cost would go down, and you know how that goes. There hasn't been one built in over 40yrs.I think now with the new reg's that diesel needs to be refined more then it used to. Low sulpher. There isn't a problem with doing it, it is the companies bottom line.No red tape issue as stated in next post. This isn't MA.

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You are at the mercy of the gas companies. If there isn't enough homes in the area to supply, they will not install the lines.People that have used oil for years,why should they change over to NG until they have to.It is a matter of ecnomics. The changeover is expensive.The structure of the ground has nothing to do with anything. If you can build a house on the ground you can install NG. The gas lines only have to be 18-20 inches deep in this area.

That along with endless red tape, permitting, dealing with local bureaucracies, etc, etc..

Up here in the peoples republic, it takes an act of Congress to put a fence post in....
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