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Old 11-16-2011, 06:18 PM
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I sure hope these guys did!

FFW to like 2.5 mins in....unless you like videos like this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrKHL...eature=related
Old 11-16-2011, 07:17 PM
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"there goes the mail"............classic.
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Un real. Did the sub tear out the running gear from the tug ?
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personnel transfers and the like are routinely done underway. tug lost power at which time the XO of the GA i believe called for a hard stbd turn in an attempt to clear the tug of its stbd rear stabilizer.

hanging up on and or tearing off the tug's running gear would be a fair assumption considering the aftermath.
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I dont know much about submarines but they can be put into neutral right?
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I would have thought you'd here alarms going off like crazy on the sub for an all stop. The whole maneuver looked sloppy, tug skipper may not have been experienced on subs.
Right around 22-29 seconds it looked like the tug was trying to climb the sub, heavy prop wash, then the stall ?
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I think, "All stop", would have been a good call about 5 seconds after they tangled.
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Looks like everyone should have been all stop, assess the situation then carefully proceed. Looked like a bunch of fools crashing a dock, and a fine job they did. I hope somebody got an ass chewing, more tax dollars down the drain...
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I guess it is easy to monday morning quaterback it but WOW 2.5 minutes of rubbing up against and dragging a boat around would seem to be enough to think, "gee should we stop?"
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Found this on-line.

On 22 March 1986, near Midway Island, USS Secota (YTM-415) had just completed a personnel transfer with the sub Georgia, when the Secota lost power and collided with the Georgia. Secota sank. Ten crewman were rescued, but two drowned. Georgia was undamaged


The tug had been around a while.

Laid down, 29 April 1944, at the Coast Guard Yard, Curtis Bay, MD.
Launched, 4 August 1944
Completed, 13 March 1945
Delivered to the Navy and placed in service as Secota (YTB-415), 23 December 1944
Allocated to the Pacific Fleet seeing service at Okinawa in August 1945, Tsingtao, China, in July 1946, replacing Anamosa (YTB-409) at Yokosuka, Japan, 20 August 1947, Hungnam and Pusan, Korea in 1950 and Sasebo, Japan
Reclassified District Harbor Tug, Medium YTM-415 in February 1962
Final Disposition, sunk in collision, 22 March 1986, off Midway Island with USS Georgia (SSBN-729) See You Tube Video
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Somebody got some splainin to do.
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Originally Posted by obbayer View Post
I would have thought you'd here alarms going off like crazy on the sub for an all stop. The whole maneuver looked sloppy, tug skipper may not have been experienced on subs.
Right around 22-29 seconds it looked like the tug was trying to climb the sub, heavy prop wash, then the stall ?

No that maneuver was the standard one for coming alongside a ship, sub, whatever. The propwash was from the tug he was backing down and away from the sub and his engine died. The old engines on these tugs arent like a cars they take a few seconds to start back up. By that time they were stuck on the sub. It was a single screw tug BTW.

You dont stop while coming along side its easier believe it or not for the vessel you are coming alongside of to be moving there are lots of hydrodynamic forces at work and they actually help you stay "stuck" to the side of the sub.
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Originally Posted by bumster View Post
I dont know much about submarines but they can be put into neutral right?
Only the ones with manual transmissions.



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Originally Posted by CaptKennyW View Post
No that maneuver was the standard one for coming alongside a ship, sub, whatever. The propwash was from the tug he was backing down and away from the sub and his engine died. The old engines on these tugs arent like a cars they take a few seconds to start back up. By that time they were stuck on the sub. It was a single screw tug BTW.

You dont stop while coming along side its easier believe it or not for the vessel you are coming alongside of to be moving there are lots of hydrodynamic forces at work and they actually help you stay "stuck" to the side of the sub.
To me it looked more like the tug was going full ahead hard to port trying to swing the stern out (using the sub as a fulcrum, that's when he climbed the subs hull) when it all went south.

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