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Old 11-10-2011, 01:24 PM
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Penalties for Failure to Report

Approximately 47 States, the District of Columbia, American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, and the Virgin Islands impose penalties on mandatory reporters who knowingly or willfully fail to make a report when they suspect that a child is being abused or neglected.2 Failure to report is classified as a misdemeanor in 39 States and American Samoa, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.3 In Arizona, Florida, and Minnesota, misdemeanors are upgraded to felonies for failure to report more serious situations, while in Illinois and Guam, second or subsequent violations are classified as felonies.
Twenty States and the District of Columbia, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, and the Virgin Islands specify in the reporting laws the penalties for failure to report.4 Upon conviction, a mandated reporter who fails to report can face jail terms ranging from 10 days to 5 years or fines ranging from $100 to $5,000. In seven States and American Samoa, in addition to any criminal penalties, the reporter may be civilly liable for any damages caused by the failure to report.5
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Penalties for Failure to Report and False Reporting of Child Abuse and Neglect
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Failure to Report
Cons. Stat. Ch. 23, § 6319

A mandatory reporter who willfully fails to report as required commits a misdemeanor of the third degree for the first violation and a misdemeanor of the second degree for a second or subsequent violation.
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its a 3deg misdemeanor ( slap on the wrist ...if that)
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§ 16.102. Suspected child abuse—mandated reporting requirements.

(a) General rule. Under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6311 (relating to persons required to report suspected child abuse), Board regulated practitioners who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall report or cause a report to be made to the Department of Public Welfare when the Board regulated practitioners have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse.
(b) Staff members of public or private agencies, institutions and facilities. Board regulated practitioners who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the Board regulated practitioner, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), (c) and
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Not that it matters, but I do not believe that Joe broke the law by failing to report the incident to the police. Nor do I believe that Mike McQueary broke the law by failing to report it to the police. As crazy as that sounds. Maybe that will change. I do not believe they meet the definition of Mandatory Reporters under existing PA law. Technically, the rape was reported to their "supervisor." It was the AD and VPs responsibility to report and that is why they have been charge with failure to report.

However, that is the law. The reality is, and anyone at all familiar with the workings of Happy Valley knows it, Joe had no supervisor at PSU. Joe was PSU. He could not be fired, period. It took the biggest scandal in the history of college sports for them to do what many had wanted to do for a long time. That is why it is on Joe. The cover up would not have occurred if Joe did not allow it to occur.
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Originally Posted by AnglerFX View Post
Ok your opinion is noted. This is America ..land of the free at least it supposed to be. I'm not part of any problem. You don't point a finger when you don't know the evidence or the whole story behind something. The problem in America is people are so quick to judge someone with out any evidence or know what the hell their talking about. You live in LA, you don't live in PA or close to the school or even go their. so how do you know what really went down?
You are part of the problem in that you unequivocally stated that you would do what Joe did. What Joe did was to ignore via indifference and inaction a very credible claim conerning his right hand man raping a young child. Your defense is that if he had pursued the matter any further than he did, he might lose his job and that would affect his ability feed his family.

You are almost as scary as Joe.


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Wait till PSU gets hit with all the lawsuits to come from the parents of those kids.
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Originally Posted by NJLorelei View Post
Technically, the rape was reported to their "supervisor." It was the AD and VPs responsibility to report and that is why they have been charge with failure to report.
That's called - Passing the Buck.
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You are part of the problem in that you unequivocally stated that you would do what Joe did. What Joe did was to ignore via indifference and inaction a very credible claim conerning his right hand man raping a young child. Your defense is that if he had pursued the matter any further than he did, he might lose his job and that would affect his ability feed his family.

You are almost as scary as Joe.


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ok im part of the problem? go F yourself buddy!
Dusky would love to and Joe would turn away
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yeah i but youde film.
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OK,what about this scenario,not sticking up for anyone, just a logical possibility. So Joe knows what went down...He takes proper action,possibly improper by not goin to police, but he goes to his immediate supervisor and says look....Major problem,Dusky got cought Screwin a kid..blah,blah,blah.. Supervisor::: OK Joe,we're on it...At this point its out of Joes hands. Week later Joe comes into his supervisors office and says..So..Whats going on,are police notified etc... Supervisor:: I can no longer discuss this with you Joe as there is currently an investigation pending or in process... Joe says OK..

Is this a possible scenario?? I just find it hard to believe Paterno is that big of a Dirtbag.

And if shits under investigation its not likely people could or would talk about it amongst theirselves
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I'm a PSU grad. I've met Joe before. Still trying to wrap my head around this whole thing. I don't pretend to know any details and I am certainly not making a ton of assumptions like many. But my impression of Joe is that he is all about football. Probably pretty simple minded when it comes to anything else. I doubt if he has had a conversation in 30 years that has not somehow involved football. He still lives in a tiny house in state college he's had forever. I just don't see him as sophisticated enough to pull off a cover-up. He did report this issue up the chain of command, and probably got his head right back into what he knows...football. Maybe he assumed people more appropriate for handling things like this were on it. Sandusky was pulled off the coaching staff at that point. Why he had an office in a PSU building after that is pretty unforgivable, hopefully the details will come out on that. Was it right down the hall from Joe? Was it in a satellite building that Joe never went to? I think this is why Joe said he wish he had done "more".

If all this had come out in 1998 or 1999 (whenever McLeary witnessed the act) it would have been a shit storm then too that none of these guys would have escaped because it would have come out that it had been happening for many years prior. The same people making all of the assumptions now would have made the same assumptions then. The real dirtball in this whole thing is Sandusky. It sounds to me like he put everybody around him in a twisted sick pile of crap that there really was no good way to solve. And then he went on to continue doing it. What a mess....
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If all this had come out in 1998 or 1999 (whenever McLeary witnessed the act) it would have been a shit storm then too that none of these guys would have escaped because it would have come out that it had been happening for many years prior. The same people making all of the assumptions now would have made the same assumptions then. The real dirtball in this whole thing is Sandusky. It sounds to me like he put everybody around him in a twisted sick pile of crap that there really was no good way to solve. And then he went on to continue doing it. What a mess....
You are confusing a couple things here. It was separate indecent in '98 that was investigated by the police by not charged/prosecuted. There was a taped call between a parent and the SOB, with something very close to a confession of at least inappropriate contact. It was at that time the SOB was told by Joe he would never be HC of PSU football and the SOB resigned. Then it was in 2002 that McQueary witnessed the rape of the 10 yo old in the shower and reported it to Joe.
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Originally Posted by yachtjim View Post
But my impression of Joe is that he is all about football. Probably pretty simple minded when it comes to anything else. I doubt if he has had a conversation in 30 years that has not somehow involved football. He still lives in a tiny house in state college he's had forever. I just don't see him as sophisticated enough to pull off a cover-up. .
You actually answered your own question with your post.
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Why would you defend him, unlesssssssssssss??????


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ok im part of the problem? go F yourself buddy!
That's all ya got?



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Little boys were raped, what if it was your child, there is no f'ing excuse. I don't give a shit how simple minded someone is, by him not calling the police other little boys were abused.
How in the hell can you people think that is ok. All Joe had to do was call the police and deal with it. this guy did it in the shower on campus, in the field house. REALLY, if he was that comfortable, he knew nothing would happen to him. He still had access to those facilities up until a year ago.

These people knew this guy was a preditor to children and DID NOTHING.


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I'm a PSU grad. I've met Joe before. Still trying to wrap my head around this whole thing. I don't pretend to know any details and I am certainly not making a ton of assumptions like many. But my impression of Joe is that he is all about football. Probably pretty simple minded when it comes to anything else. I doubt if he has had a conversation in 30 years that has not somehow involved football. He still lives in a tiny house in state college he's had forever. I just don't see him as sophisticated enough to pull off a cover-up. He did report this issue up the chain of command, and probably got his head right back into what he knows...football. Maybe he assumed people more appropriate for handling things like this were on it. Sandusky was pulled off the coaching staff at that point. Why he had an office in a PSU building after that is pretty unforgivable, hopefully the details will come out on that. Was it right down the hall from Joe? Was it in a satellite building that Joe never went to? I think this is why Joe said he wish he had done "more".

If all this had come out in 1998 or 1999 (whenever McLeary witnessed the act) it would have been a shit storm then too that none of these guys would have escaped because it would have come out that it had been happening for many years prior. The same people making all of the assumptions now would have made the same assumptions then. The real dirtball in this whole thing is Sandusky. It sounds to me like he put everybody around him in a twisted sick pile of crap that there really was no good way to solve. And then he went on to continue doing it. What a mess....
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I'm a PSU grad. I've met Joe before. Still trying to wrap my head around this whole thing. I don't pretend to know any details and I am certainly not making a ton of assumptions like many. But my impression of Joe is that he is all about football. Probably pretty simple minded when it comes to anything else. I doubt if he has had a conversation in 30 years that has not somehow involved football. He still lives in a tiny house in state college he's had forever. I just don't see him as sophisticated enough to pull off a cover-up. He did report this issue up the chain of command, and probably got his head right back into what he knows...football. Maybe he assumed people more appropriate for handling things like this were on it. Sandusky was pulled off the coaching staff at that point. Why he had an office in a PSU building after that is pretty unforgivable, hopefully the details will come out on that. Was it right down the hall from Joe? Was it in a satellite building that Joe never went to? I think this is why Joe said he wish he had done "more".

If all this had come out in 1998 or 1999 (whenever McLeary witnessed the act) it would have been a shit storm then too that none of these guys would have escaped because it would have come out that it had been happening for many years prior. The same people making all of the assumptions now would have made the same assumptions then. The real dirtball in this whole thing is Sandusky. It sounds to me like he put everybody around him in a twisted sick pile of crap that there really was no good way to solve. And then he went on to continue doing it. What a mess....
What assumptions?

The testimony to the Grand Jury is very clear, and the Grand Jury's acceptance of Mcquery's testimony as valid is also very clear. Their acceptance of the Administrator's testimony a being less-than-believable is also very clear.

What Joe did and did not do is also very clear.

Where are the assumptions?


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