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Old 11-09-2011, 10:50 AM
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Default Vietnam in HD on History Chan.

Watching it now. Holy Jesus!! Im absolutely speechless.
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Old 11-09-2011, 11:16 AM
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Watched part of it last night. Looks like the real shit.
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Liked part one better than gibsons movie.
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I thought I was watching a damn movie sometimes. I had to remind myself that shit is real.
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Old 11-09-2011, 05:12 PM
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Absolutly the bes footage you will see.
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Old 11-09-2011, 05:21 PM
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Hope the Johnsons sleep well after watching this, will we ever learn?
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Hope the Johnsons sleep well after watching this, will we ever learn?
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Great documentary.
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Most of us don't ever need or want to re-live that era of our history. Even after so many years, it made no sense...and then we watch the evening news about the Middle East and see the same thing happening.....
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too painful to look at, even 40 years on
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Most of us don't ever need or want to re-live that era of our history. Even after so many years, it made no sense...and then we watch the evening news about the Middle East and see the same thing happening.....
No crap.
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I kept looking to see one of our most famous presidents on one of those hills, the one that liked to go north, sit around the campfire, smoke pot and protest that war, with his dislike for war,seems that during his presidency he could have helped head off future wars. I'm starting to think one requirement to sit in that oval office should be some combat time, give them a greater appreciation for our kids lives.
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Man that's hard to watch.

Remember the monthly reports of dead American soldiers?

Month after month Cronkite would report 200 or 300+ dead. Or more.
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As someone mentioned above, i think military service of some sort should be a requirement of becoming president. How can one truly understand what it means to be CiC without it? I watched some more of it last night and im just awe struck at what those men/women went through. Kids and young people today, myself included, have no idea the price some people pay to keep America what it is.
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My brother only spoke the war a few years before his death. He was in artillery early on 65-66. An Khe Pleiku waaaay up north. Sometimes the enemy was so close they had to drop the barrels and fire point blank into the hillside across the ravines. The guns would dig 6 ft long trenches from the recoil. He was most poignant remarking about the bodies piled up next to slicks after a dust off. 18- 19 year old bodies mangled beyond recognition. That's when it got to him and he would stop there and just stare. even 35 years later...
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God bless those that served. Regardless of if you agree or disagree with the war, those brave men went to battle because their country asked them just like the generations before them.

They did it while others hide or ran. God bless them all.
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Can someone refresh my memory why we were there in the first place?
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Those of us who were in the service at that time realy don't want to be reminded of it. We came home from overseas and nobody thanked us for serving. We were yelled at and our parents were recieving phone calls from people saying they hope we died. Came with living around college towns back then.

We served and were in turn betrayed by the president at the time, Johnson. I'de like to pour a 5th of bourbon on his grave.......After it passes through my kidneys.
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Originally Posted by bamaboy473 View Post
Most of us don't ever need or want to re-live that era of our history. Even after so many years, it made no sense...and then we watch the evening news about the Middle East and see the same thing happening.....
Very true - this is wars saddest legacy - when will we learn.

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I kept looking to see one of our most famous presidents on one of those hills, the one that liked to go north, sit around the campfire, smoke pot and protest that war, with his dislike for war,seems that during his presidency he could have helped head off future wars. I'm starting to think one requirement to sit in that oval office should be some combat time, give them a greater appreciation for our kids lives.
I have absolutely no ill will for the protesters - Most were against the war not the veterans and they helped us get the hell out of that hell hole sooner. I just wonder where are they now - are these wars of choice OK because there is no fear of getting drafted?

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Can someone refresh my memory why we were there in the first place?
We were allies withthe RVN. Only later was it widely understood that it was a puppet government basically installed by the CIA

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Those of us who were in the service at that time realy don't want to be reminded of it. We came home from overseas and nobody thanked us for serving. We were yelled at and our parents were recieving phone calls from people saying they hope we died. Came with living around college towns back then.

We served and were in turn betrayed by the president at the time, Johnson. I'de like to pour a 5th of bourbon on his grave.......After it passes through my kidneys.
Good point. I did better until 911 as I wass not reminded of it. The advent of worship of all things military that has pervaded our society is chilling. Personally I had a great homecoming and never witnessed any spitting or other acts of disrespect towards Vietnam Veterans, or our families. Then again I never had need to wear the uniform as I was discharged early as soon as DEROSing out.

Most noticeable to me was that it was not talked about and as most Vietnam Vetreans I was somewhat pissed at the widespread notion that "we" lost the war. There is a bumper sticker that is somewhat of an inside joke to us that says "we were winning when I left". Sure they North invaded 2 years after we left and we did not return. But there were no lost battles and Vietnam soldiers fought at least as effectively as any other group of veterans. How could we not - we had all the fire support in the world on our side , especially the close in air support. The VC and NVA had none. Finally I was pizzed at many WWII vets that looked down on us as they also believed the war lost by the soldiers crap. I suspect that is why combat vets at least did not join any of the traditional Veteran groups until recently. I still belong to none.

Personally it was my pleasure to serve and I would do it again. I plan to watch this show sometime in the future if I hear form other combat vets that it was real. I am sickened by most movies on the subject that portray us am bumbling drug crazed idiots led by incompetent leaders. Be interested to hear of more feedback form other Vietnam Vets.

Sorry for the rant - hope all you Iraq and Afghan guys get home soon and stay here. You did your job - now its time to come home and F that hell hole too. It ain't our war anymore than Nam was. Those folks have to have their own Civil or Revolutionary wars just like we did.

A great day to have a few pops and remember both the good times and our brothers who did not make it back.

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Excellent show. The sacrifice of brothers in arms for each other always is very emotional I start to well up every time. Younger generations need to watch this and learn lessons. "Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it" - Edmund Burke
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Perhaps the most interesting and well put together documentry I have seen. My wife, ten YO son and I have been glued to the TV.

I was born in 68 so I only have a vague memory from the news but the politics at play and the tactics used seemed insane. What I am having a hard time wrapping my head around is how they would be ordered to take a friggin hill, make ten attempts over as many days, finally take the hill then be airlifted out only to allow the enemy to retake the hill unopposed a few days later. WTF!!!

And the americans who looked upon our returning troops in disgust should be ashamed of themselves. I distinctly recall how much my parents hated the likes of Jane Fonda and others like her.
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