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Old 11-07-2011, 05:38 AM
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Time for me to upgrade from my Bosch 10" slider to a 12" non-slider..the Bosch slider is great, but not accurate enough. Festool is nice, but very limited in the height of the stock it will cut. Looking at belt drive 12" Dewalt 716 or Milwaukee 12"..both will cut 6" standing up. Laying stuff down is not accurate enough, especially crown.

Neither Makita, Bosch, Hitachi have the necessary depth of cut against the fence. I install cabinets, and we do alot of large complicated pre-finished crown and trim.

Any real world feedback?

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Time for me to upgrade from my Bosch 10" slider to a 12" non-slider..the Bosch slider is great, but not accurate enough. Festool is nice, but very limited in the height of the stock it will cut. Looking at belt drive 12" Dewalt 716 or Milwaukee 12"..both will cut 6" standing up. Laying stuff down is not accurate enough, especially crown.

Neither Makita, Bosch, Hitachi have the necessary depth of cut against the fence. I install cabinets, and we do alot of large complicated pre-finished crown and trim.

Any real world feedback?

Thanks.

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Ive heard the newer dewalt sucks. Wonder if you could find one of the old 14" non sliding chopsaws that were around. With a Forrest blade they would be sweet on large crown.
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I'm really thinking about selling my #2 Sliding 12" DeWalt for a trim saw. Sliding not too important but compound is.

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Hitachi used to have a 15" mitre box that was awesome. Really pissed me off when they discontinued it. I haven't used one yet, but check out the Festool Mitre saws. They're lay-down accuracy might be more reliable than whats currently available. Expensive though!
Personally, I HATE Dewalt anything and like only certain Milwaukee products and their saws are not on that list.
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What's up with this PM shit; are you scared you'll be attacked for your opinion(s)?

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Garrett: BMW made me a very generous offer on a local basis (we live in the same town), not an opinion.

I like my 10 Bosch Slider, but I've found the lay-down method of cutting crown is not as accurate as I'd like, We also have a supplier who runs their own crown, which has a non-standard spring angle...it must be cut sitting at its natural angle.

Festool..still have to lay down stuff. If I can't cut 6" against the fence, it just won't meet my requirements.

Milwaukee DOES have a 12" fixed miter saw that cuts 6" against the fence..I just can't find one to look at. I hate mail order, btw.

Sooo..got in a time bind, bought a 12" Dewalt this afternoon. Lowes. Box had been opened, told the sales guy "I hate open boxes". He said bring it back if there's a problem. Unboxed it, never used. Plugged it in, ran fine. Started checking alignment..first cut, vertical, off 1 degree, not adjustable. Well, f me! At least I can take it back. Nice saw otherwise, well made, smooth. No stupid laser or other gimmicks. Suspect shipping damage.

Moral: DO NOT BUY OPEN BOXES! At least I don't have to ship it back somewhere..........
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Do your research.....milwalkee is the top dog. I have a 12" slider and it was saw of the year, its awesome. As good as the festool blows default out of the water. I used to have default tools untill i burned up a jigsaw, 2 grinders and a buffer. Got rid of all things default. All milwaukee now not one problem, plus a 5 year warranty on everything. Good luck in your search
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Garrett: BMW made me a very generous offer on a local basis (we live in the same town), not an opinion.
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Here ya go Bill......
http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniq...uge_crown.html

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Originally Posted by billinstuart View Post
Garrett: BMW made me a very generous offer on a local basis (we live in the same town), not an opinion.

I like my 10 Bosch Slider, but I've found the lay-down method of cutting crown is not as accurate as I'd like, We also have a supplier who runs their own crown, which has a non-standard spring angle...it must be cut sitting at its natural angle.

Festool..still have to lay down stuff. If I can't cut 6" against the fence, it just won't meet my requirements.

Milwaukee DOES have a 12" fixed miter saw that cuts 6" against the fence..I just can't find one to look at. I hate mail order, btw.

Sooo..got in a time bind, bought a 12" Dewalt this afternoon. Lowes. Box had been opened, told the sales guy "I hate open boxes". He said bring it back if there's a problem. Unboxed it, never used. Plugged it in, ran fine. Started checking alignment..first cut, vertical, off 1 degree, not adjustable. Well, f me! At least I can take it back. Nice saw otherwise, well made, smooth. No stupid laser or other gimmicks. Suspect shipping damage.

Moral: DO NOT BUY OPEN BOXES! At least I don't have to ship it back somewhere..........
Just curious so I can check my saw, but how do you tell it's off 1 degree on a 5" cut?
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Just curious so I can check my saw, but how do you tell it's off 1 degree on a 5" cut?

With a square.......................

I work in a high end custom millwork shop, and we have several 12" DeWalts. They are good saws. We put em' through alot, daily, and they keep on going. No complaints from me, and Im not a weekend warrior.

We also have one of these...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTUOhYcw4ZY
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Just curious so I can check my saw, but how do you tell it's off 1 degree on a 5" cut?
Real easy..turn the piece of wood over and cut it again. If it doesn't cut a perfectly parallel sliver it's out. I actually let the blade run against the cut end...if it doesn't lightly run all the way thru it is out. I expect paper thin slivers, and got it, even with the mediocre factory blade.

I do the same at 45 degrees..standing up or laying down, you MUST get repeatable slivers the thickness of paper.

Replaced the 716 with a 718..a slider. I swore no more sliders, but this model uses a very short slider and is very rigid. It is also fully adjustable for ALL settings. Set it up today..was accurate out of the box, except for the pointers. Lousy dust control, but accurate! I'm happy. I could give a poop about lasers, extensions, and ease of blade change..I want durable and accurate.
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My 12" Dewalt sliding miter has been bullet proof. My Dewalt 18v cordless drill is junk.

You may get the depth you need with a 12" saw but lose the accuracy due to more blade deflection over the 10" blade.
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I have an old delta and its worth its weight in gold, however would not have the dewalt all the newer items by dewalt have been a disappointment…
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Dewalt is just as good as any others for cutting crown. Funny, over 20 years, I have never had a dewalt tool fail me! Batteries, now thats another issue.
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I have a Hitachi that is like 8 years old and I cut crown all the time and the lazor light helps but only when your not in the sun, I like that saw because you can angle the head both ways and the 12 inch cut makes it easy to just take a c... hair off. I do have a dewalt and it's nice for everything else and sort of easyer to use. I am sure anyone could pick apart any saw that's why we all don't own the same Truck and color....lol
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OP, my son does a lot of the same as you. He noticed every once in awhile a radial arm saw from the 60's or 70's would come up for sale for ridiculously cheap $. He ended up with a 40+ y o Dewalt for $80!! It's killer accurate, built like a brick outhouse, 2 1/2 hp and so quiet you hardly know it's running. I have bought and sold machinery in the past for employers and know something about quality build. That Dewalt saw would probably cost
$2000 to build today. It's no wonder everything is made cheap and in Asia anymore. The drawback or course is it's weight...2 man portable............

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OP, my son does a lot of the same as you. He noticed every once in awhile a radial arm saw from the 60's or 70's would come up for sale for ridiculously cheap $. He ended up with a 40+ y o Dewalt for $80!! It's killer accurate, built like a brick outhouse, 2 1/2 hp and so quiet you hardly know it's running. I have bought and sold machinery in the past for employers and know something about quality build. That Dewalt saw would probably cost
$2000 to build today. It's no wonder everything is made cheap and in Asia anymore. The drawback or course is it's weight...2 man portable............

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Don't think I haven't thought about a radial arm, but I do need something that is somewhat portable. Had a good one decades ago, and the bulk of it was too hard to move around. The downward swing of a "CHOP" saw is mighty convenient....
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