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Over rated Patriots exposed by average NFC east team.

Brady boy does not like to be hit or pressured and the smurf cannot make a deep play.

Lets hope that my Jets can expose them further next Sunday nite.

Can't wait to get to the office and listen to Boston sports radio whiners today.
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to be fair, MOST NFL teams are "average". That's what the league was shooting for, that's what they got.
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Originally Posted by fichtion View Post
Over rated Patriots exposed by average NFC east team.

Brady boy does not like to be hit or pressured and the smurf cannot make a deep play.

Lets hope that my Jets can expose them further next Sunday nite.

Can't wait to get to the office and listen to Boston sports radio whiners today.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Felt like I was watching 07 SuperBowl all over again and yes the Jets win next week.


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to be fair, MOST NFL teams are "average". That's what the league was shooting for, that's what they got.
??? Average as compared to who, other NFL teams? That's called parity.
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Originally Posted by fichtion View Post
Over rated Patriots exposed by average NFC east team.

Brady boy does not like to be hit or pressured and the smurf cannot make a deep play.

Lets hope that my Jets can expose them further next Sunday nite.

Can't wait to get to the office and listen to Boston sports radio whiners today.
An average team? How can that be?

I mean, the Jets have more media coverage than any other team in the league. Hell, the 2 NY's; NE, and Philly get about 85% of the media coverage. Remember the Green Bay Packers? Nah, no one would, because you hardly see them on sportscasts. And by the way, they are on one hell of a winning streak.

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Originally Posted by Snapper Head View Post
An average team? How can that be?

I mean, the Jets have more media coverage than any other team in the league. Hell, the 2 NY's; NE, and Philly get about 85% of the media coverage. Remember the Green Bay Packers? Nah, no one would, because you hardly see them on sportscasts. And by the way, they are on one hell of a winning streak.

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I don't know what media you're watching but the Packers/Chargers game led Sportscenter today even before the Penn State story.

Also, it's possible that reason the teams in NE, Philly and NY get the most coverage because they play in the biggest media citys in the world and Green Bay is pretty much the smallest...
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Also, it's possible that reason the teams in NE, Philly and NY get the most coverage because they play in the biggest media citys in the world and Green Bay is pretty much the smallest...
Of course that is why.

Duddn't make it right, though.

I would rather hear 20 minutes about the Niners, than 20 minutes about the Jets, or Philly. SF is a far more interesting story this year than either of those teams.

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to be fair, MOST NFL teams are "average". That's what the league was shooting for, that's what they got.
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??? Average as compared to who, other NFL teams? That's called parity.

Call it Parity, call them average, all the same.. Your splitting hairs. I know some like it this way, any given sunday and all that jiborish.


I don't like it. I like Dynasty Teams. Love them or Hate them. The league needs teams to hate in my opinion and "parity" doesn't lend itself to that.

I remember Hating the Bills (I'm from NY) and the Cowboys, I used to watch just as many games to root AGAINST someone as I did to root FOR someone. Parity Sucks. I simply don't HATE any team anymore. They are all the same.

OK, so now that I have had my speech on Parity, I will say, that the NFL is HUGE and this must be the way the majority like it. Just not me..Personal preference I guess.
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I find it strange that many times the same people that complain about parity in the NFL also hate the top heavy MLB with the "big market" high spending teams. The NFL system lends itself to parity, everyone gets any equal share of the enormous Network pie, what's wrong with that? Why in the world would anyone be interested in seeing a team they don't root for, win every year? At least that's what the Yankee haters say.
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Originally Posted by fichtion View Post
Over rated Patriots exposed by average NFC east team.

Brady boy does not like to be hit or pressured and the smurf cannot make a deep play.

Lets hope that my Jets can expose them further next Sunday nite.

Can't wait to get to the office and listen to Boston sports radio whiners today.
Jets fan = Jets vs Patriots = Superbowl

Pats fan = Jets vs Patriots = just another game
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Jets fan = Jets vs Patriots = Superbowl

Pats fan = Jets vs Patriots = just another game
Maybe that's the problem, guess the Pats shouldn't have thought of the Jets "as just another game" last year in the playoffs...
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I find it strange that many times the same people that complain about parity in the NFL also hate the top heavy MLB with the "big market" high spending teams. The NFL system lends itself to parity, everyone gets any equal share of the enormous Network pie, what's wrong with that? Why in the world would anyone be interested in seeing a team they don't root for, win every year? At least that's what the Yankee haters say.
Your missing a big point about Parity though. In the MLB the big market teams don't always win. Actually they rarely win. The Yanks are in it every year, but one world series win in 11 years, Mets/red sox/dodgers/cubs all outspend most years champion. This is a big misconception.

The other Major flaw, there is a reason you will not see a hard cap in baseball, its because people love to hate the big market teams. MLB needs the Yankees/Red Sox etc...or ratings go to hell for them.

NFL is obviously different. People I guess love mediocrity.
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Your missing a big point about Parity though. In the MLB the big market teams don't always win. Actually they rarely win. The Yanks are in it every year, but one world series win in 11 years, Mets/red sox/dodgers/cubs all outspend most years champion. This is a big misconception.

The other Major flaw, there is a reason you will not see a hard cap in baseball, its because people love to hate the big market teams. MLB needs the Yankees/Red Sox etc...or ratings go to hell for them.

NFL is obviously different. People I guess love mediocrity.
If I recall correctly, you're a business owner. Would you prefer to have one superstar employee, or 10 who perform at a more-or-less equal high level?

Mediocrity? Far from it.


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Originally Posted by fichtion View Post
Over rated Patriots exposed by average NFC east team.

Brady boy does not like to be hit or pressured and the smurf cannot make a deep play.

Lets hope that my Jets can expose them further next Sunday nite.

Can't wait to get to the office and listen to Boston sports radio whiners today.
Really he has like 28 plays over 20 yards compared to the Jets 18 and 4 plays over 40 compared to the Jets 1. Lets not let the facts get in the way. Even Payton M. has problems when you can get preasure on him.
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Interesting perspective and question, but can't help but feel like apples vs oranges.

Most of our small businesses can't be compared to the NFL. Most of US survive with as limited payroll as possible and still be competitive and productive enough to be profitable. NFL is different. Superstars run the league. QB's are untouchable. More now than ever, I know you know that! So even the NFL want's the ONE Superstar.

Can't really compare my business to the NFL, I wish we could debate that. I'd own a bigger boat!

Now I will admit again, that I am in the minority, the NFL has lost something for me. I feel its watered down, I used to like nothing better than to see a 14 point favorite to do down, assuming I wasn't wagering!

You see a 14 point dog these days, jump on it. I'm sure you do....That's what I miss. There is no Dream Team (IE the Eagles)....
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Your The other Major flaw, there is a reason you will not see a hard cap in baseball, its because people love to hate the big market teams. MLB needs the Yankees/Red Sox etc...or ratings go to hell for them.

NFL is obviously different. People I guess love mediocrity.
Completely incorrect, the reason that there is no hard cap in baseball is that baseball is a regional game and each team makes their television money from their own regional network channels, it does not go into a pool like the NFL to be shared equally so why would the big market teams agree to a cap when they are making a tremendous amount more than the small market teams and willing spend more as well. That's the reason there is not cap. It is purely ecomonics and nothing to do with loving to hate anything.

I don't really understand your continued reference to mediocrity. Mediocre as compared to what? Are there better football players somewhere in the world beside NFL players that I am not aware of? Is it not the best talent level in the country:

-Either you are concerned that the talent is being spread out evenly among teams which is not mediocroty but parity.

or

-You feel there are too many teams and the talent pool is watered down.

Otherwise you continue to misuse the term.
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Completely incorrect, the reason that there is no hard cap in baseball is that baseball is a regional game and each team makes their television money from their own regional network channels, it does not go into a pool like the NFL to be shared equally so why would the big market teams agree to a cap when they are making a tremendous amount more than the small market teams and willing spend more as well. That's the reason there is not cap. It is purely ecomonics and nothing to do with loving to hate anything.

I don't really understand your continued reference to mediocrity. Mediocre as compared to what? Are there better football players somewhere in the world beside NFL players that I am not aware of? Is it not the best talent level in the country:

-Either you are concerned that the talent is being spread out evenly among teams which is not mediocroty but parity.

or

-You feel there are too many teams and the talent pool is watered down.

Otherwise you continue to misuse the term.
First off, we both correctly agree that there is no hard cap in baseball because of economics.. As I said a couple of posts above,

"MLB needs the Yankees/Red Sox etc...or ratings go to hell for them."

TV revenue sharing would not work in baseball..

I DO believe the league is watered down, I believe ALL major sports are watered down and retraction would be the best thing for fans to eliminate "mediocrity"....Yes, my simpleton mind can't stop using that word to mean "less than stellar performance by most NFL teams".

I am comparing todays NFL with the NFL of some years ago, not some third world soccer team.....

But don't hold your breath for retraction. Ain't happenin..

Can I help it if I feel like the best teams in the NFL aren't as good as the best teams of a decade or so ago? I do think players are FAR superior but the teams are NOT...Sorry, just my opinion.. I know people disagree, but what can you do..
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Oh, can I also add "officiating" to my reasons of mediocrity of the league. Good God, the officiating is horrible! For one thing, it has become such a mamby pamby league, it turns me off. Smack your little finger on the helmet of the QB and its 15 yards and a major game changing first down.

and for Gods Sake, can an official grow a pair of balls and signal touchdown without looking at the rest of the refs? "Oh, hell, why call the touchdown, we'll replay it and get it right that way"

Defenseless Receivers? Really? Can't hit a guy as the ball gets there just because he cant defend himself? Wow, yeah, this is another major reason its a turnoff for me..

I'm trying to make finite conclusions to a big picture problem for me, its not easy..
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First off, we both correctly agree that there is no hard cap in baseball because of economics.. As I said a couple of posts above,

"MLB needs the Yankees/Red Sox etc...or ratings go to hell for them."

TV revenue sharing would not work in baseball..

I DO believe the league is watered down, I believe ALL major sports are watered down and retraction would be the best thing for fans to eliminate "mediocrity"....Yes, my simpleton mind can't stop using that word to mean "less than stellar performance by most NFL teams".

I am comparing todays NFL with the NFL of some years ago, not some third world soccer team.....

But don't hold your breath for retraction. Ain't happenin..

Can I help it if I feel like the best teams in the NFL aren't as good as the best teams of a decade or so ago? I do think players are FAR superior but the teams are NOT...Sorry, just my opinion.. I know people disagree, but what can you do..

Ok, if you are comparing today's players with the talent level of years ago, or the type of play of the league years ago, then definitely something that can be debated but in terms of the revenue sharing and hard cap, it is the perfect system for the league, in terms of overall sustained fan support and generation of income.
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