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Old 11-06-2011, 02:58 AM
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Very disturbing...I always thought PSU & Joe Papaa had one of the cleanest/trouble free programs!


Penn State’s insufficient action amid child sex allegations stunning


grand jury “finding of fact” released Saturday.
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Joe Pa is no different than any other program with the exception being he's old as dirt. His program just never got caught. Plus the media homers give him a pass most of the time anyway. He may not be so lucky this time. He can always use Uncle Leo's excuse on Seinfeld when he got caught shop lifting. " I old and confused is it time to eat? Where am I? "
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Just WOW. How pathetic, hope everyone involved pays.

Guess this will eventually be what finally brings JoPa's coaching career to an end. At his age, the pressure of this could break him down fast.
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Perfect timing for retirement....time to go Joe
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After reading about this they should clean out the program from the King on down
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Originally Posted by r.waddill View Post
After reading about this they should clean out the program from the King on down
I am disgusted and shocked and I agree with you completely

ANYONE that knew should be fired on the spot and prosecuted


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It's an old story. Supervisors don't want to make trouble for people they know or embarass their own organization, so they cover up a crime. Never mind the innocent victims, never mind the law. Doesn't seem to matter what kind of organization: university, church, government, private company, whatever. Their own employees, friends and organizations matter more than any law, anyone or anything else. When finally confronted with the truth, they hide behind lawyers who claim innocence and ignorance.

Prosecute to the full extent of the law and scare the crap out of the next guy who thinks about covering up a crime like this!!
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Its the coverup that will get all of those who looked the other way.
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I wonder if the DA's disappearance had anything to do with the case?

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind..._da_ray_g.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar
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Originally Posted by yarcraft91 View Post
It's an old story. Supervisors don't want to make trouble for people they know or embarass their own organization, so they cover up a crime. Never mind the innocent victims, never mind the law. Doesn't seem to matter what kind of organization: university, church, government, private company, whatever. Their own employees, friends and organizations matter more than any law, anyone or anything else. When finally confronted with the truth, they hide behind lawyers who claim innocence and ignorance.

Prosecute to the full extent of the law and scare the crap out of the next guy who thinks about covering up a crime like this!!
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Good old Joe stated he will not step down. From reading the article posted sounds like either he knew about one incident or should have known. Seems like he looked the other way. Sorry, you need to go Joe...
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The students alumni and faculty should demand JoePA's resignation. He doesn't do anything any way but it would be a good move for the school to show that no ones above reproach
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I believe Nebraska is Joe's final home game..........along the guise of 'health issues' early next calendar year...he will step down

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Timeline of events in Sandusky case
Monday, November 07, 2011
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Jerry Sandusky, a former Penn State assistant football coach, started The Second Mile organization for at-risk children in State College in 1977, when he was defensive coordinator on Joe Paterno's staff. He was charged Friday with 40 counts related to the sexual abuse of eight boys in the program between 1994 and 2005. Here is a timeline of events outlined in a 23-page grand jury report.
1994 or 1995: A boy identified only as Victim 6 meets Mr. Sandusky at a picnic sponsored by The Second Mile when he was 7 or 8.

1994: Meets Victim 7, who is 10. Over the next couple of years, there is shared showering and cuddling when the boy stayed at Mr. Sandusky's home.

1995 or 1996: Victim 5, age 7 or 8, meets Mr. Sandusky through The Second Mile. He says that later, sometime between 1996 and 1998, Mr. Sandusky pins him against a shower wall and places the boy's hand on his penis.

1996 or 1997: Victim 4, age 12 or 13, has indecent contacts with Mr. Sandusky. This victim became a fixture in the Sandusky household and attended many football events over the years. Either before or after alleged sexual assaults, the victim receives expensive gifts from Mr. Sandusky.

1998: Victim 6, age 11, is taken to a locker room in the Penn State football facility, and Mr. Sandusky showers with him, giving him a bear hug. When he was dropped off at home, the boy's mother learns about the shower and contacts university police. A detective listens in on two phone conversations with the mother and Mr. Sandusky on May 13, 1998, and May 19, 1998. Mr. Sandusky admits to the joint showering.

June 1, 1998: State Department of Public Welfare investigator and the university police detective interview Mr. Sandusky. He said he would not shower with children again.

May 1999: PSU football coach Joe Paterno tells Mr. Sandusky he will not be the next head coach at PSU. This precedes Mr. Sandusky's retirement.

Summer 2000: Victim 3, between 7th and 8th grade at the time, meets Mr. Sandusky. He claims his genitals are touched and there are bear hugs in the shower.

Fall 2000: A janitor sees Mr. Sandusky in the shower at the PSU football complex with Victim 8. The boy was pinned against the wall while Mr. Sandusky performed a sex act on him. The janitor tells other janitorial staff and his boss. His supervisor tells him how to make an official report. Such a report is never made; there is discussion among janitorial staff of concern about their jobs if they report the incident.

March 1, 2002: A Penn State football graduate assistant, whose name is not in the presentment but who since has been identified as Mike McQueary, now the team's wide receiver coach and recruiting coordinator, witnesses Mr. Sandusky having sex with Victim 2 in the shower at the Lasch Football Building.

March 2, 2002: Mr. McQueary reports what he saw to Mr. Paterno.

March 3, 2002: Mr. Paterno contacts the PSU athletic director, Tim Curley, his immediate supervisor.

Mid-March 2002: Mr. McQueary meets with Mr. Curley and Gary Schultz, senior vice president for finance and business.

Late March or early April 2002: Mr. McQueary hears back from Mr. Curley that Mr. Sandusky's keys to the locker room were taken away and the incident had been reported to The Second Mile. Mr. Curley and Mr. Schultz said PSU president Graham Spanier was told that an incident had occurred in the shower but was not given the full details initially reported by Mr. McQueary.

2005 or 2006: Victim 1 meets Mr. Sandusky. In 2007, they start spending time together during the track season at the boy's high school, with the boy staying overnight at Mr. Sandusky's residence in State College, during which sexual activity occurred. Mr. Sandusky gave the boy expensive gifts.

2006 or 2007: A wrestling coach at a Clinton County elementary school enters a weight room at school and finds Victim 1 and Mr. Sandusky lying on their sides in physical contact.

Throughout 2007 and 2008: Mr. Sandusky performed a sex act more than 20 times on Victim 1.

Spring 2008: Victim 1 terminates contact with Mr. Sandusky while a freshman at Central Mountain High School in Clinton County.

Later in 2008: Victim 1's mother contacted the school, which barred Mr. Sandusky from the school and reported the incident to police.
Between January 2008 and July 2009: There were 57 calls from Mr. Sandusky's cell phone to Victim 1's home phone.

September 2010: Mr. Sandusky retires from The Second Mile.

December 2010: Mr. McQueary testifies before grand jury.

Jan. 12, 2011: Mr. Curley and Mr. Schultz testify before grand jury.

Nov. 4, 2011: Charges filed against Mr. Sandusky related to sexual abuse of eight boys, and against Mr. Curley and Mr. Shultz for lying to the grand jury and failing to report the incidents to the proper authorities.


no one did anything to stop this...
penn st football is the engine that drives an entire region of pennsylvania
it is obvious here that protecting that engine was deemed more important than the safety of children
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It sounds like Joe Pa is the only one that did 1 reasonable thing by reporting the incedent to the AD. Everyone else should be up on charges for abusing these children. Covering it up for the guy is helping him do it again.

Joe Pa does need to step aside anyway. They will never fire him. He needs to go loose his marbles at home and salvage is dignity.
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Catholic church comes to mind with the coverup. Disturbing, Joe and the whole crew need to go.
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Originally Posted by cgrand View Post
Timeline of events in Sandusky case
Monday, November 07, 2011
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Jerry Sandusky, a former Penn State assistant football coach, started The Second Mile organization for at-risk children in State College in 1977, when he was defensive coordinator on Joe Paterno's staff. He was charged Friday with 40 counts related to the sexual abuse of eight boys in the program between 1994 and 2005. Here is a timeline of events outlined in a 23-page grand jury report.
1994 or 1995: A boy identified only as Victim 6 meets Mr. Sandusky at a picnic sponsored by The Second Mile when he was 7 or 8.

1994: Meets Victim 7, who is 10. Over the next couple of years, there is shared showering and cuddling when the boy stayed at Mr. Sandusky's home.

1995 or 1996: Victim 5, age 7 or 8, meets Mr. Sandusky through The Second Mile. He says that later, sometime between 1996 and 1998, Mr. Sandusky pins him against a shower wall and places the boy's hand on his penis.

1996 or 1997: Victim 4, age 12 or 13, has indecent contacts with Mr. Sandusky. This victim became a fixture in the Sandusky household and attended many football events over the years. Either before or after alleged sexual assaults, the victim receives expensive gifts from Mr. Sandusky.

1998: Victim 6, age 11, is taken to a locker room in the Penn State football facility, and Mr. Sandusky showers with him, giving him a bear hug. When he was dropped off at home, the boy's mother learns about the shower and contacts university police. A detective listens in on two phone conversations with the mother and Mr. Sandusky on May 13, 1998, and May 19, 1998. Mr. Sandusky admits to the joint showering.

June 1, 1998: State Department of Public Welfare investigator and the university police detective interview Mr. Sandusky. He said he would not shower with children again.

May 1999: PSU football coach Joe Paterno tells Mr. Sandusky he will not be the next head coach at PSU. This precedes Mr. Sandusky's retirement.

Summer 2000: Victim 3, between 7th and 8th grade at the time, meets Mr. Sandusky. He claims his genitals are touched and there are bear hugs in the shower.

Fall 2000: A janitor sees Mr. Sandusky in the shower at the PSU football complex with Victim 8. The boy was pinned against the wall while Mr. Sandusky performed a sex act on him. The janitor tells other janitorial staff and his boss. His supervisor tells him how to make an official report. Such a report is never made; there is discussion among janitorial staff of concern about their jobs if they report the incident.

March 1, 2002: A Penn State football graduate assistant, whose name is not in the presentment but who since has been identified as Mike McQueary, now the team's wide receiver coach and recruiting coordinator, witnesses Mr. Sandusky having sex with Victim 2 in the shower at the Lasch Football Building.

March 2, 2002: Mr. McQueary reports what he saw to Mr. Paterno.

March 3, 2002: Mr. Paterno contacts the PSU athletic director, Tim Curley, his immediate supervisor.

Mid-March 2002: Mr. McQueary meets with Mr. Curley and Gary Schultz, senior vice president for finance and business.

Late March or early April 2002: Mr. McQueary hears back from Mr. Curley that Mr. Sandusky's keys to the locker room were taken away and the incident had been reported to The Second Mile. Mr. Curley and Mr. Schultz said PSU president Graham Spanier was told that an incident had occurred in the shower but was not given the full details initially reported by Mr. McQueary.

2005 or 2006: Victim 1 meets Mr. Sandusky. In 2007, they start spending time together during the track season at the boy's high school, with the boy staying overnight at Mr. Sandusky's residence in State College, during which sexual activity occurred. Mr. Sandusky gave the boy expensive gifts.

2006 or 2007: A wrestling coach at a Clinton County elementary school enters a weight room at school and finds Victim 1 and Mr. Sandusky lying on their sides in physical contact.

Throughout 2007 and 2008: Mr. Sandusky performed a sex act more than 20 times on Victim 1.

Spring 2008: Victim 1 terminates contact with Mr. Sandusky while a freshman at Central Mountain High School in Clinton County.

Later in 2008: Victim 1's mother contacted the school, which barred Mr. Sandusky from the school and reported the incident to police.
Between January 2008 and July 2009: There were 57 calls from Mr. Sandusky's cell phone to Victim 1's home phone.

September 2010: Mr. Sandusky retires from The Second Mile.

December 2010: Mr. McQueary testifies before grand jury.

Jan. 12, 2011: Mr. Curley and Mr. Schultz testify before grand jury.

Nov. 4, 2011: Charges filed against Mr. Sandusky related to sexual abuse of eight boys, and against Mr. Curley and Mr. Shultz for lying to the grand jury and failing to report the incidents to the proper authorities.


no one did anything to stop this...
penn st football is the engine that drives an entire region of pennsylvania
it is obvious here that protecting that engine was deemed more important than the safety of children
Can't believe what I just read.

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It sounds like Joe Pa is the only one that did 1 reasonable thing by reporting the incedent to the AD. Everyone else should be up on charges for abusing these children. Covering it up for the guy is helping him do it again.

Joe Pa does need to step aside anyway. They will never fire him. He needs to go loose his marbles at home and salvage is dignity.
That was in 2002. Did he forget? Maybe a little follow up?

The guy doing kids in the shower is bad enough, but the number of people willing to look the other way for the good of the school is disturbing to say the least.
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Can't believe what I just read.



That was in 2002. Did he forget? Maybe a little follow up?

The guy doing kids in the shower is bad enough, but the number of people willing to look the other way for the good of the school is disturbing to say the least.

exxxaaactly
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JoePa for sure knew of the allegations in 2002 and continued to allow Sandusky access to the facilities and events for many years to come. He most likely knew of the "rumors" much earlier than 2002 and the whole thing stinks. Are we naive to believe Sandusky left PSU b/c he wasn't going to be the next head coach and decided to retire after 20 years while still in his 50's?

I suspect this is going get much worse.
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I agree it will get worse. Sandusky had access to the PSU facilities right up until last Friday. The eye witness back in 2002 is now on the PSU payroll. Sacrificing the safety of children just to make winning the most important thing is gross and pathetic. I love college football but it has major flaws. Fire them all and in my book Paterno is a disgrace. This wipes out all the good he did for the school and students.
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