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Old 11-02-2011, 09:51 AM
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:55 AM
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...and yer point?
OP's point...crawl in a corner and scream for help OR pull your weapon and help yourself. Pretty simple.
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I thought it was quite clear.


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I thought it was quite clear.
tell that to the oklahoma pharmacist...

believe me, i'm with ya, 240, but it's hardly "clear" anymore in amerika
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The point is the same as the Boy Scout motto: Be prepared.

Since most assault victims are beaten by someone they know, just the fact that a woman is armed an unafraid to defend herself may be the deterrent that keeps Joe Asshole from attacking her. My dad is a good guy nowdays, but when he was young and drank all the time he got rough with my mom more than once. A few years ago, I asked my mom if that had happened anymore. She said the last time he did it was right before he quit drinking. She said she told him then that if he ever laid another hand on her, she'd shoot him in the head. And she looked squarely at me and said, "And he knew that I meant it." And I could tell that she meant it too. They seem to get along pretty well in their old age...
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The point is the same as the Boy Scout motto: Be prepared.

Since most assault victims are beaten by someone they know, just the fact that a woman is armed an unafraid to defend herself may be the deterrent that keeps Joe Asshole from attacking her. My dad is a good guy nowdays, but when he was young and drank all the time he got rough with my mom more than once. A few years ago, I asked my mom if that had happened anymore. She said the last time he did it was right before he quit drinking. She said she told him then that if he ever laid another hand on her, she'd shoot him in the head. And she looked squarely at me and said, "And he knew that I meant it." And I could tell that she meant it too. They seem to get along pretty well in their old age...
I told my sperm donor the exact same thing back in 1993 right before we cleaned out the house and moved my Mom to a more secure environment.

Great post Surf and great reminder.
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"........Lott's work

Lott has produced research, authored opinions, and stirred up controversy in many areas with his economic analysis of certain issues.
[edit] Concealed weapons and crime rate

In an article written with David B. Mustard[14] and Lott's subsequent books More Guns, Less Crime and The Bias Against Guns, Lott presents a statistical argument for the claim that allowing adults to carry concealed weapons significantly reduces crime in America. He supports this position by an exhaustive tabulation of various social and economic data from census and other population surveys of individual United States counties in different years, which he fits into a large multifactorial mathematical model of crime rate. His published results generally show a reduction in violent crime associated with the adoption by states of laws allowing the general adult population to freely carry concealed weapons.
The work was immediately controversial, drawing large amounts of support and opposition. Numerous academics praised Lott's methodology, including Florida State University economist Bruce Benson,[15] Cardozo School of Law professor John O. McGinnis,[16] and University of Mississippi professor William F. Shughart.[17] The book also received favorable reviews from academics Gary Kleck, Milton Friedman, and Thomas Sowell.[18]

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Originally Posted by toyguy View Post
tell that to the oklahoma pharmacist...

believe me, i'm with ya, 240, but it's hardly "clear" anymore in amerika
If it's the case I think you're referring to, you can't be serious.
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If it's the case I think you're referring to, you can't be serious.
it is the case, and (i think) i understand your position, which i'm assuming is that the gunshots after the initial shot by the pharmacist were unnecessary, and therefore, the manslaughter charge and subsequent lifetime incarceration are justice?

which, is part of my point: that's it's unclear anymore. you and a bunch of others see it one way, while a bunch of others, such as myself, see it another way.

but i'll stop short of stating that you can't be serious about your position.

just like the wave runner shot dead post: divergent opinions re: self-defense and gun control.

i personally, am in the john lott camp.
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Plain ole crazy is a good way to defend yourself from a violent attack...

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Originally Posted by toyguy View Post
it is the case, and (i think) i understand your position, which i'm assuming is that the gunshots after the initial shot by the pharmacist were unnecessary, and therefore, the manslaughter charge and subsequent lifetime incarceration are justice?

which, is part of my point: that's it's unclear anymore. you and a bunch of others see it one way, while a bunch of others, such as myself, see it another way.

but i'll stop short of stating that you can't be serious about your position.

just like the wave runner shot dead post: divergent opinions re: self-defense and gun control.

i personally, am in the john lott camp.
I would place myself in that camp as well.

My response was in the spirit of this thread "two ways to shield yourself from a violent attack".

The pharmacist blew it when he turned his back on the shot perp on the floor, retrieved another gun, and then shot him again. I'm no fan of perps but he needed to understand the law. He probably would have been fine if he had just let the guy bleed out. When he killed him, he was not a threat. Apparently that is how OK law is written, I know it's the same in FL.

Whether the sentence was justice or not could be a long thread It is what it is.
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Originally Posted by straps57 View Post
Plain ole crazy is a good way to defend yourself from a violent attack...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gs6S0qWGgg

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Originally Posted by toyguy View Post
tell that to the oklahoma pharmacist...

believe me, i'm with ya, 240, but it's hardly "clear" anymore in amerika
I think it's still pretty clear. Assuming you're talking about the pharmacist that shot one of two robbers, chased one outside, then went back in, reloaded, and shot the already shot guy several more times, well, that's not a good example considering he reloaded and shot an already shot guy a bunch of times. (I have no real problem with what he did, but you can't shoot a guy in the back of the head while he's laying down, already shot, on video, posing no real threat, etc. then expect to get away with it. The whole idea is if you're in fear for your life, you shoot "until the threat is stopped" - that could be one bullet to the forehead, or 10 to the body, it depends. But once the bad guy is either dead or otherwise "stopped" you should stop too.)

A few states may still have those stupid laws where you have to run away before defending yourself, but that is the exception, I think.
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best defence-- aim low
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Anything less than a .45 ya oughta just poke em with a stick.
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The point is the same as the Boy Scout motto: Be prepared.
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Anything less than a .45 ya oughta just poke em with a stick.
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Originally Posted by jpdeg View Post
I think it's still pretty clear. Assuming you're talking about the pharmacist that shot one of two robbers, chased one outside, then went back in, reloaded, and shot the already shot guy several more times, well, that's not a good example considering he reloaded and shot an already shot guy a bunch of times. (I have no real problem with what he did, but you can't shoot a guy in the back of the head while he's laying down, already shot, on video, posing no real threat, etc. then expect to get away with it. The whole idea is if you're in fear for your life, you shoot "until the threat is stopped" - that could be one bullet to the forehead, or 10 to the body, it depends. But once the bad guy is either dead or otherwise "stopped" you should stop too.)

A few states may still have those stupid laws where you have to run away before defending yourself, but that is the exception, I think.
ok, i get the idea that what the pharmacist did was overkill (literally), but a life sentence, and $100,000's in legal fees? really?

watch the video again. those little sumbitches come in guns a blazin, and looking to kill him.

looking to kill him!!!

you know what his sentence s/h/b , imo?

one day.

THAT's the message that could have been sent to America.

But what instead was the message sent?
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