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Old 10-27-2011, 08:51 AM
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Just starting to look at all the factors to consider. Here's what I know so far:

Canal front coastal Florida location = high wind building code (140+ MPH wind design)

Sandy soil base

Roughly 24' wide x 36' deep

Two 9 1/2' x 9 1/2' garage doors (Do they come in 1/2' size increments?) to allow ingress and egress to either garage bay for a 20' - 23' center console boat resting on trailer. It would be too tight getting an 8' 6" beam boat on a trailer through a 9' door opening, but two 10' wide doors would be too wide for the width footprint I have to work with. 10' high doors would look a little too high relative to the rest of the adjoining house. I know this will preclude storage of a boat with a fixed T-top, but I'm hoping that most any center console grab rail would clear the bottom of the garage door opening when the boat is resting on a trailer.

Insulated standing seam steel roof with 40 yr. minimum non-declining labor and materials warranty in coastal applications (if there is such a product)

Concrete block walls and stucco finish exterior

No heat or A/C. (Maybe a dehumidifier though)

Completely open inside garage (no support columns on floor slab)

Floor drains in both bays


Is there anyone out there that has done something similar in the last couple of years that has experienced the current sky high materials and labor cost environment we're in now?

I will hire be hiring a General Contractor, and will want to set the right ground rules and design requirements to ensure that I will end up with the nicest THT built garage out there.

All input will be appreciated!
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Good Luck, I'm in a totally different area and building issues but am currently finishing up my own garage.
I did consider floor drains but decided I didn't want them (and I have it plumbed with a sewage basin, sink, and prepped for a bathroom). The reason: I have a 60 gal. fresh water system built into my truck and wash the boat down at the ramp. By the time I tow it home it's been cleaned AND dry.
Your doors cannot be too big and you might look into one large door to get the opening you desire (I have 2 at 12wx14t).
I too wanted it open and even used "room" trusses so the upstairs can be finished....trusses for yours will not be an issue.
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A good friend owns an overhead door company...you can get any size door you want. You will probably have to pay for the 10x10's, but a good door company can cut them to any size you'd like.

Now in saying that, what height walls are you going to go with, 12" or higher? Before you conclude on a door height I'd make darn sure you have done your math for a door height, (for todays needs and tomorrows).
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As far as the door widths.
When I designed and built my garage, I first drew it with two 10W doors. One for my wife, one for me.
Through time and a lot of considerations, I changed "My" door to a larger one that I would back the boat into and my small P-up daily driver to a 9'H X 16'W.
The "wife's door" was going to be an 9'H X 8'W as the second redesign then I squeezed an little more room and made it 9'H X 9'W for her.
To keep the different size doors from making front of the garage look "unbalanced", I off set the face of the walls by 1'-0".

My point is, if you can make the door you will not be backing the boat into a little smaller, then the "Boat door" can be a little bigger.

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A good friend owns an overhead door company...you can get any size door you want. You will probably have to pay for the 10x10's, but a good door company can cut them to any size you'd like.

Now in saying that, what height walls are you going to go with, 12" or higher? Before you conclude on a door height I'd make darn sure you have done your math for a door height, (for todays needs and tomorrows).
That was my question also. I was told to have the ceiling 18" higher then the door height so mine ended up at 10'-6".






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That was my question also. I was told to have the ceiling 18" higher then the door height so mine ended up at 10'-6".

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Yes that is true Jeff, but they also make low clearance door tracks as well. Give me a minute or two and I'll get you a number on that. My numbers indicate 8" would be a least amount of head room needed.
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Originally Posted by jdm View Post
Just starting to look at all the factors to consider. Here's what I know so far:

Canal front coastal Florida location = high wind building code (140+ MPH wind design)

Sandy soil base

Roughly 24' wide x 36' deep

Two 9 1/2' x 9 1/2' garage doors (Do they come in 1/2' size increments?) to allow ingress and egress to either garage bay for a 20' - 23' center console boat resting on trailer. It would be too tight getting an 8' 6" beam boat on a trailer through a 9' door opening, but two 10' wide doors would be too wide for the width footprint I have to work with. 10' high doors would look a little too high relative to the rest of the adjoining house. I know this will preclude storage of a boat with a fixed T-top, but I'm hoping that most any center console grab rail would clear the bottom of the garage door opening when the boat is resting on a trailer.

Insulated standing seam steel roof with 40 yr. minimum non-declining labor and materials warranty in coastal applications (if there is such a product)

Concrete block walls and stucco finish exterior

No heat or A/C. (Maybe a dehumidifier though)

Completely open inside garage (no support columns on floor slab)

Floor drains in both bays


Is there anyone out there that has done something similar in the last couple of years that has experienced the current sky high materials and labor cost environment we're in now?

I will hire be hiring a General Contractor, and will want to set the right ground rules and design requirements to ensure that I will end up with the nicest THT built garage out there.

All input will be appreciated!
What city in Florida will this be?
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Originally Posted by Garett View Post
Yes that is true Jeff, but they also make low clearance door tracks as well. Give me a minute or two and I'll get you a number on that. My numbers indicate 8" would be a least amount of head room needed.
i have 10 x 10 ft doors, the wall height is 12 ft and i think the floor to ceiling height comes out to be almost 13.5 ft.

i wanted maximum clearance so i went with sidemount openers and told them to hang the track as tight to the ceiling as they could.



to JDM:
checkout http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/

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Originally Posted by Garett View Post
Yes that is true Jeff, but they also make low clearance door tracks as well. Give me a minute or two and I'll get you a number on that. My numbers indicate 8" would be a least amount of head room needed.
I got real lucky that when my doors open at the tightest point the top of the door misses my light tubes by 1/4" +/-.
So take into consideration what light you want above the doors to be sure they clear.


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Good Luck, I'm in a totally different area and building issues but am currently finishing up my own garage.
I did consider floor drains but decided I didn't want them (and I have it plumbed with a sewage basin, sink, and prepped for a bathroom). The reason: I have a 60 gal. fresh water system built into my truck and wash the boat down at the ramp. By the time I tow it home it's been cleaned AND dry.
Your doors cannot be too big and you might look into one large door to get the opening you desire (I have 2 at 12wx14t).
I too wanted it open and even used "room" trusses so the upstairs can be finished....trusses for yours will not be an issue.
I know I asked, but I don't remember if you answered, did you do a build thread anywhere for your garage?
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Originally Posted by glacierbaze View Post
I know I asked, but I don't remember if you answered, did you do a build thread anywhere for your garage?

Not yet.......at 30 x 56 x 15 I bet you guys are hoping to see some pics huh??? I'll get them together and start a thread eventually. Just busy as crap right now.
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I'll throw this out there, as it happened to me.

I built a new shop for work with a bay dedicated to my boat. Changed my ceiling height to 14' to accommodate 12' doors, went through zoning, appropriate variance, building permit and construction. Finished the shop, loved it. EXACTLY 1 year later, I got 2' itis, sold the boat and bought a boat too big for the shop.

THEN, exactly 1 year after that, my family changed, increased by exactly 1 little girl. Selling the house and shop. Building a new one on a new piece of property with my new criteria...Who knows what next year will bring..

The moral? If you haven't guessed? Build it for the potential future, as well as you can predict it. Possibility for taller ceiling for bigger doors in the future? Put it in a spot that you maybe can expand?

Just some food for thought from someone that is taking a serious building depreciation hit everytime my life changes....
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I built a very nice garage up North for two vehicles in the front with 10 2 foot doors and a boat bay perpendicular to the back wall for the boat almost 6 years ago. The boat bay door is 10 wide and 14 tall. Bay is 24 deep and was for a 21 boat and trailer I thought I'd never get rid of.

The bride wanted a different boat and it was a bit bigger. It's much too long but no problem getting any legal width/height trailer backed in.


I should have built a bigger garage from the start. When you look at the cost per square foot it would have been peanuts back then. Now I'm storing indoors at the marina for 800/winter.
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First, best size for me to house my boat (22 ft) also my Motorhome (23 ft) as well as my small shop in the back end, above my shop is a 8 ft by 30 ft storage loft.

I built my barn 30 ft by 40 ft. 12 foot tall (2 by 6) walls. Doors are sideways sliding 11ft high by 12 ft wide.

The barn is insulated and finished on the inside, heated in the winter and fan cooled in summer.

Spend so much time fishing we sold the Motorhome, wife quickly filled some of the empty space.

Here are some random photos.













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Check with your local building dept they can be very helpfull with what you can build and size etc. Thet also know the good contractors.
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One of the strange codes here in Harford County, MD was:
Detached- It could only be up to 50% of the SF of the house.
Attached- The size was unlimited.

One would thing that would be the opposite.


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Originally Posted by 240 LTS View Post
One of the strange codes here in Harford County, MD was:
Detached- It could only be up to 50% of the SF of the house.
Attached- The size was unlimited.

One would thing that would be the opposite.


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Thats no good, my detached is 1750 and the house is about 1700 including the attached 2 car.
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I did consider floor drains but decided I didn't want them (and I have it plumbed with a sewage basin, sink, and prepped for a bathroom). The reason: I have a 60 gal. fresh water system built into my truck and wash the boat down at the ramp. By the time I tow it home it's been cleaned AND dry.
If you didn't have the luxury of the freshwater system in your truck would you have done the floor drains?

As to the garage door(s) size, I'm starting to consider a single 9' high x 18' wide overhead garage door, but with the wind load building code, that could be a very expensive door.
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As far as the door widths.
When I designed and built my garage, I first drew it with two 10W doors. One for my wife, one for me.
Through time and a lot of considerations, I changed "My" door to a larger one that I would back the boat into and my small P-up daily driver to a 9'H X 16'W.
I'm now thinking about going with a single 9' high x 18' wide door.

Very nice garage you've got there and thanks for sharing your pics.
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What city in Florida will this be?
This will be in Charlotte County on the West coast just off the ICW.
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