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Old 09-13-2011, 01:21 PM
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OK guys I need some plumbing help.

My mother in law lives in a city, 2 family home on a 25'X100' lot. She has a drain in her backyard that is completely cloged. I went by with my snake today and got about 6'-8' into the drain when I couldn't get any deeper, when I pulled the snake out it was full of mud. I went in a couple of more times but never made any real headway.

Do any of you have any ideas? I'm not sure if the pipe has collapsed on itself and it's hopeless or it's just full of dirt from the backyard run off.

The big problem with this is that when it rains heavy for extended periods of time/days the basement gets water in it. I don't think liquid plumber will help with this one.
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Dig it up.

Rotor Rooter.

Approach from the other end if possible.



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OK guys I need some plumbing help.

My mother in law lives in a city, 2 family home on a 25'X100' lot. She has a drain in her backyard that is completely cloged. I went by with my snake today and got about 6"-8" into the drain when I couldn't get any deeper, when I pulled the snake out it was full of mud.
I went in a couple of more times but never made any real headway
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Do any of you have any ideas? I'm not sure if the pipe has collapsed on itself and it's hopeless or it's just full of dirt from the backyard run off.

The big problem with this is that when it rains heavy for extended periods of time/days the basement gets water in it. I don't think liquid plumber will help with this one.
With my mind in the gutter, this is what I read. Sorry

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Originally Posted by 240 LTS View Post
With my mind in the gutter, this is what I read. Sorry

If you saw my mother in law you'd never even think it. But it is funny to think about.
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Originally Posted by 240 LTS View Post
Dig it up.

Rotor Rooter.

Approach from the other end if possible.



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May have to go with roto rooter but don't want to shell out $350.00 Don't know where the other end is! may be the street for all I know.
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You can rent the "roto rooter" machine at Lowes or Home Depot. I think it cost me around $50
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Water hose with a spray nozzle. As much pressure as you can get to it. Is this 6in pvc drain or what? Is it sealed? Any cherry trees nearby?
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Root-rooter will make a video of the sewer line for a modest cost. The vid shows the pipe and the number of feet played out. At least you'll know where to dig if it's collapsed. Mine was on VHS but I'm sure today's would be on DVD.
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What size line is it? Where does it drain to?
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Sounds like someone put a dry well in the backyard to keep it dry except it finally filled in with silt. The cellar flooding is the result of the problem and was probably the reason it was installed in the first place.
The cure, can't say without knowing where that pipe goes.
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Cut back on the fiber.
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I'll jump in with there is a crack/break in the pipe. Call a plumber, have them clear it an do a scope to determine the cause.
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How old is the house? Is this a war time home? Is your MIL's home's sewage line tied into her neighbors? Are there any big asss trees around? In the basement, what type of material is the bottom of the stack made out of?

I'm just guessing with the info provided, but the line has been compromise by tree roots and is collapsed and filled with roots and dirt.?

What prompted you to snake ouf the drain? Any idea how long this condition has existed? You know if it is roots and dirt, that pipe could be filled 10-20-30 ft or more.
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When you snake it out make sure that you run a water hose in there at the same time. It can help break up the muck and wash it away. If it is a drain line/leechfield, you might be SOL.
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You need to find out what you are draining into?
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Do you have a pressure washer? Find am industrial cleaning supply house and buy an attachment for your pressure washer hose. It shoots a small but powerful stream out the front with small streams pointing backwards. It will literally pull the hose down the pipe then when it reaches the clog blast it out. Roto rootor actually uses the same attachment. As long as there is not a root(different attachment) then you can unclog it with a long enough hose. The question is how did the mud get in there? need to solve that. Have used mine alot and works great for unclogging that corrugated pipe buried under ground attached to gutter down spouts.
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Thanks all! I'll try and answer some of the questions raised. The house was built in 1912, the drain, drains to I don't know where as it goes stright down about 6' then (I think) turns 90 degrees but I'm not sure in which direction as I can't see that far down the drain. I assume it goes off under the house itself toward the cit sewar line. If that assumption is correct there are no trees near by. I can't get a hose down th pipe past the elbow as it won't turn through the elbow. The pipe itself is about 2"-2.5" in dia. I'm also assuming it's cast iron as other pipes in around the house are cast iron.

The basement won't flood unless it rains heavy for exended periods, we do have a sump pump in the basement with an inside french drain that works well under most circumstances.
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Ok cast pipe.....that means the joints are susceptible to failure and the pipe is prone to rot and fracture. I wouldn't be surprise if a dig is involved here. If so the pipe can be patched with tar and metal w/ bands, but you might want to consider replacing the pipe and since you have got a hole opened to the road (if that's where it goes...chances are) you would be wise to replace the water feed into the house with 3/4" soft copper at the same time.....your water line into the house is probably lead?
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Ok cast pipe.....that means the joints are susceptible to failure and the pipe is prone to rot and fracture. I wouldn't be surprise if a dig is involved here. If so the pipe can be patched with tar and metal w/ bands, but you might want to consider replacing the pipe and since you have got a hole opened to the road (if that's where it goes...chances are) you would be wise to replace the water feed into the house with 3/4" soft copper at the same time.....your water line into the house is probably lead?
If this line runs under the house and is borken or cracked it's going to stay that way, I don't see me digging up the entire basement to follow the line and fix every crack.

I'm afraid it's a bad situation and will cost thousands of $'s to fix, it just may not be worth it. If I can get a light down the drain to see the direction I'll get a better sense of what's up.
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Ah it's not really that bad; I did it at my other place. Call your local manicipality up (for me it was Works Dept.) and ask if they have sweage plans for your MIL place...they "should" be on record. Chances are they should even tell you what the pipe is made of, if your MIL's pipe "Y" off into her neighbors and if there was any record of any clean outs in the past. You should be able to get a locate for free as well.

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