Go Back  The Hull Truth - Boating and Fishing Forum > BOATING FORUMS > Dockside Chat
Reload this Page >

Is it like this where you live? $100+ per hour for security?

Notices

Is it like this where you live? $100+ per hour for security?

Old 08-20-2011, 05:14 AM
  #1  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 16,849
Default Is it like this where you live? $100+ per hour for security?

http://www.northjersey.com/topstorie...or_police.html

As the Verizon Communications Inc. strike stretches into its third week, the company is paying some North Jersey police departments as much as $2,500 a day for overtime and off-duty work so officers can provide round-the-clock protection for employees — both those on strike and those crossing the picket lines — at various facilities.
Verizon strikers at Midland Ave office picket . A black unmarked police car is on site with a uniformed officer inside the vehicle.

In New Jersey, nearly 7,000 Verizon employees walked off the job on Aug. 7. The strikers are members of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers and the Communications Workers of America, and work in customer service, maintaining and repairing landlines and installing FiOS (fiber-optic television, telephone and Internet service).

With both sides at an impasse, non-union workers have been brought in from around the region to fill in at facilities where the union workers are on strike, setting the stage for tension when picket lines are crossed.

And that is where some other union workers — police officers — are making a profit. In Saddle Brook, Verizon will pay $2,500 a day to have an officer on duty 24/7 outside the facility on 150 Midland Ave., said Chief Robert Kugler.

The average overtime cost for a Saddle Brook police officer is $100 an hour, and the township receives a 20 percent “administrative surcharge” for making an officer and police vehicle available, Kugler said.

Verizon is also paying to have officers posted around the clock at their facilities in Englewood and East Rutherford.

Englewood’s police department will be paid $1,800 a day to post an off-duty officer outside the building at the end of the cul-de-sac on Cedar Lane — $65 an hour for extra duty work and $10 an hour for the use of a police vehicle, said Chief Arthur O’Keefe.

East Rutherford’s police will be paid a similar amount — an average of $50 to $60 an hour for overtime pay, plus $15 an hour for the use of a police vehicle, said Deputy Chief Ed Bury.

“It’s extra work, extra money — I’m sure they’re not complaining,” Bury said of the township officers who have volunteered to work the eight-hour shifts since the strike began.

Police officials explained that when Verizon requests extra police coverage, the departments send invoices for the work to the company and usually receive payment within three weeks. Verizon typically covers overtime costs for officers when repairs on phone lines require road closures or lane diversions, officials said.

At the Saddle Brook facility, workers arrive in their personal vehicles, and then enter Verizon trucks to conduct repairs on lines throughout the region, said Kugler.

Just before noon on Friday in Saddle Brook, a dozen union workers manned the picket line outside the building, marching in front of a large sign labeled “scab entrance” and a full garbage can affixed with the sign “scab lunch.” Many motorists traveling along busy Midland Avenue honked their horns in support of the strikers.

The union workers would not speak on the record to a reporter for fear of company reprisal but heaped scorn on their non-union counterparts. During the discussion, two Verizon trucks pulled out of the facility, and were heckled all the way by the strikers — one man with a megaphone shouted, “Scab!” and “They’ll dismember us, then they’ll come and dismember you!”

There have been no arrests reported in Bergen or Passaic counties in connection with the strike thus far. O’Keefe said Englewood officers personally know many of the workers on strike in the city, and that has helped to keep the peace.

“Any time people’s jobs are at stake, and their families are on the line, emotions run high,” O’Keefe said. “Our officers are sensitive to that.”

Paying police departments to make officers available around the clock near picket lines “is something we do as a matter of routine during work stoppages,” said Verizon spokesman Lee Gierczynski. Verizon “always anticipates the possibility of a strike, and they have contingency plans to prepare for these events.”

Gierczynski declined to give a full list of police departments in New Jersey the company is paying to provide patrols, citing security concerns.

Union leaders with the IBEW and CWA declined comment on Friday.

A resolution to the strike does not appear to be on the horizon. Hundreds of striking Verizon workers traveled by bus to Mendham Thursday night to hold a candlelight vigil outside the mansion of CEO Lowell McAdam. Workers wore red shirts, sang union songs and chanted “What’s disgusting? Union busting.”

Gierczynski said workers would be better served if their union leaders would focus on good-faith bargaining to end the strike.

“Union bosses surely can find more constructive things for their membership to do than waste taxpayer dollars, public safety resources and their membership’s time with these cheap theatrics,” he said.
OldPete is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 05:56 AM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Sunny South Florida
Posts: 5,058
Default

Off duty cost for police down here are usually in the $40.00 per hour range plus $10-$15 per hour for use of the police car. If they are paying them via overtime then it increases by 50%.
Sudden Strike Fishing is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 09:03 AM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: The left coast.
Posts: 1,881
Default

A little off the real topic but I remember being in a three week strike (CWA) and a handful of coworkers crossed the picket line to work. Some of them were even bragging about all the overtime they were making. Tensions were high during the stike, but ill feelings toward the sc_bs were even worse after the strike. These sc_bs benefited from the negotiations as did the managers. All of the managers then were ex technicians so they understood the need to strike to maintain the benefits.

Sorry to go a little off tangent. It's too bad that strike in NJ had to come to that point of needing security.
the good life is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 11:49 AM
  #4  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Central Jersey
Posts: 7,961
Default

The security charge is paid by the user, in this case, Verizon, and not with taxpayer dollars. The officers are off-duty and volunteer for the service. My community association had a local event here last year, and we paid for uniformed police security (at time-and-a half) out of our own pocket. The local PD did provide an unused car to be parked for the cops to sit in and be available for emergencies. It ain't coming out of taxpayers' pockets.
t3rockhall is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 12:00 PM
  #5  
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Fl
Posts: 63
Default

Damn up here in the panhandle we get $25.00 an hour, with a four hour minimum.
Trophy05 is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 12:20 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Elizabeth City NC
Posts: 9,490
Default

Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
http://www.northjersey.com/topstorie...or_police.html

As the Verizon Communications Inc. strike stretches into its third week, the company is paying some North Jersey police departments as much as $2,500 a day for overtime and off-duty work so officers can provide round-the-clock protection for employees — both those on strike and those crossing the picket lines — at various facilities.
Verizon strikers at Midland Ave office picket . A black unmarked police car is on site with a uniformed officer inside the vehicle.

In New Jersey, nearly 7,000 Verizon employees walked off the job on Aug. 7. The strikers are members of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers and the Communications Workers of America, and work in customer service, maintaining and repairing landlines and installing FiOS (fiber-optic television, telephone and Internet service).

With both sides at an impasse, non-union workers have been brought in from around the region to fill in at facilities where the union workers are on strike, setting the stage for tension when picket lines are crossed.

And that is where some other union workers — police officers — are making a profit. In Saddle Brook, Verizon will pay $2,500 a day to have an officer on duty 24/7 outside the facility on 150 Midland Ave., said Chief Robert Kugler.

The average overtime cost for a Saddle Brook police officer is $100 an hour, and the township receives a 20 percent “administrative surcharge” for making an officer and police vehicle available, Kugler said.

Verizon is also paying to have officers posted around the clock at their facilities in Englewood and East Rutherford.

Englewood’s police department will be paid $1,800 a day to post an off-duty officer outside the building at the end of the cul-de-sac on Cedar Lane — $65 an hour for extra duty work and $10 an hour for the use of a police vehicle, said Chief Arthur O’Keefe.

East Rutherford’s police will be paid a similar amount — an average of $50 to $60 an hour for overtime pay, plus $15 an hour for the use of a police vehicle, said Deputy Chief Ed Bury.

“It’s extra work, extra money — I’m sure they’re not complaining,” Bury said of the township officers who have volunteered to work the eight-hour shifts since the strike began.

Police officials explained that when Verizon requests extra police coverage, the departments send invoices for the work to the company and usually receive payment within three weeks. Verizon typically covers overtime costs for officers when repairs on phone lines require road closures or lane diversions, officials said.

At the Saddle Brook facility, workers arrive in their personal vehicles, and then enter Verizon trucks to conduct repairs on lines throughout the region, said Kugler.

Just before noon on Friday in Saddle Brook, a dozen union workers manned the picket line outside the building, marching in front of a large sign labeled “scab entrance” and a full garbage can affixed with the sign “scab lunch.” Many motorists traveling along busy Midland Avenue honked their horns in support of the strikers.

The union workers would not speak on the record to a reporter for fear of company reprisal but heaped scorn on their non-union counterparts. During the discussion, two Verizon trucks pulled out of the facility, and were heckled all the way by the strikers — one man with a megaphone shouted, “Scab!” and “They’ll dismember us, then they’ll come and dismember you!”

There have been no arrests reported in Bergen or Passaic counties in connection with the strike thus far. O’Keefe said Englewood officers personally know many of the workers on strike in the city, and that has helped to keep the peace.

“Any time people’s jobs are at stake, and their families are on the line, emotions run high,” O’Keefe said. “Our officers are sensitive to that.”

Paying police departments to make officers available around the clock near picket lines “is something we do as a matter of routine during work stoppages,” said Verizon spokesman Lee Gierczynski. Verizon “always anticipates the possibility of a strike, and they have contingency plans to prepare for these events.”

Gierczynski declined to give a full list of police departments in New Jersey the company is paying to provide patrols, citing security concerns.

Union leaders with the IBEW and CWA declined comment on Friday.

A resolution to the strike does not appear to be on the horizon. Hundreds of striking Verizon workers traveled by bus to Mendham Thursday night to hold a candlelight vigil outside the mansion of CEO Lowell McAdam. Workers wore red shirts, sang union songs and chanted “What’s disgusting? Union busting.”

Gierczynski said workers would be better served if their union leaders would focus on good-faith bargaining to end the strike.

“Union bosses surely can find more constructive things for their membership to do than waste taxpayer dollars, public safety resources and their membership’s time with these cheap theatrics,” he said.
Yep,, sure is.
We blew the union out of Wilmington Del rail yard. (under bid them) and there was two HP cars at our yard for two weeks.. One as you went out the gate and one at the corner till we could hit the interstate but at both the Del yard and WS yard the union yard connects to the rail yard. That makes for a bit of a sticky wicket.
It will only last till its settled.
Union blew their own self out of Winston Salem yard. Tried to hold honda hostage and refused to haul any more cars until a agreement was settled. Took 4 days to organize but we rolls 16 trucks in the gate one behind the other and a town police was hired for 3 days. Your guys are cutting themselves short.
Don't know the price on the HP in Del but Inc. paid 145 dollars a hour from 6 am till 10 pm the times we are allowed to get in and out of the yard in WS. Rail own's the yard,, Their union of course. No love lost there either.
Unions are like the British when their happy. Wear tall red hats and march in a straight line. Settlers when their not. Wear Camo, Hide behind rocks and trees and throw things at you....
Crossing a line, I've driven through several but there was always a cop on duty or armed guards. You either have to hire a police dept by the hour if you want armed security or a union security company that has license to carry arms.. How do you think the last one would work out..

Last edited by liveaboard74; 08-20-2011 at 01:07 PM.
liveaboard74 is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 12:40 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Stuart, FL
Posts: 1,675
Default

Verizon should FIRE all those on strike. With the amount of people needing a job, it should be easy to replace those on strike. Want to strike, ok, do it permanently!
PROFINITY is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 02:08 PM
  #8  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Central Jersey
Posts: 7,961
Default

Ho hum
t3rockhall is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 02:52 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Elizabeth City NC
Posts: 9,490
Default

Originally Posted by PROFINITY View Post
Verizon should FIRE all those on strike. With the amount of people needing a job, it should be easy to replace those on strike. Want to strike, ok, do it permanently!
maintaining and repairing landlines and installing FiOS (fiber-optic television, telephone and Internet service).

Those you just don't replace over night.

customer service < easy to replace.

Unions take part of services out when they strike and add additional member that are replaceable to increase the number. Of course then you fight them all.. Their not dumb by any means. Just greedy.. Sometimes it back fires on them to...sad part is then the workers are out of work and the union reps. still get paid. Same ones you've been paying your union dew's to the whole time. Welcome to the union.

Last edited by liveaboard74; 08-20-2011 at 03:07 PM.
liveaboard74 is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 02:57 PM
  #10  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
ladyjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: lake champlain vermont
Posts: 30,178
Default

UP here the sheriff takes care of that sort of thing.
ladyjane is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 02:59 PM
  #11  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: West Carolina
Posts: 21,938
Default

Originally Posted by PROFINITY View Post
Verizon should FIRE all those on strike.
Or, send the union the bill for the costs THEY caused.
Shag is online now  
Old 08-20-2011, 03:35 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Stuart, FL
Posts: 1,675
Default

Verizon service/support can't get worse from where it already was. Can their asses. THE END!
PROFINITY is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 05:40 PM
  #13  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 16,849
Default

Originally Posted by t3rockhall View Post
The security charge is paid by the user, in this case, Verizon, and not with taxpayer dollars. The officers are off-duty and volunteer for the service. My community association had a local event here last year, and we paid for uniformed police security (at time-and-a half) out of our own pocket. The local PD did provide an unused car to be parked for the cops to sit in and be available for emergencies. It ain't coming out of taxpayers' pockets.
LOL. And who pays the Verizon bill? THE CUSTOMER! I love the people that say the taxpayer doesn't pay it!!!!! Are people REALLY that stupid? The people ARE the taxpayer.


Originally Posted by PROFINITY View Post
Verizon should FIRE all those on strike. With the amount of people needing a job, it should be easy to replace those on strike. Want to strike, ok, do it permanently!
AMEN!

Originally Posted by osudaddy View Post
Off duty police are not security company guys......they are police officers.

Which would your choose..........a security company guy or an off duty police officer? You get what you pay for.
LOL. Do you really believe that? You can hire a retired ex-cop for 25% of that, and they'll still have a carry permit. Get real.

Originally Posted by Shag View Post
Or, send the union the bill for the costs THEY caused.
Even better! Then the "members" can pay it instead of the customer!
OldPete is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 05:51 PM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Sunny florida
Posts: 23,046
Default

To all you "scabs" out there..ATTABOY! Keep up the good work!
billinstuart is online now  
Old 08-20-2011, 06:27 PM
  #15  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: St. Augustine, Fl
Posts: 21,831
Default

In that type of situation hiring the Police is the SMART thing to do. You have to remember that IS a very violatile situation and there is a lawyer just waiting for someone to get hurt so they can sue the company for not attempting to provide protection for their workers. The price paid for Police protection will be a drop in the bucket compared to what it will cost the company in a lawsuit...
Cracker is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 06:34 PM
  #16  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: NJ
Posts: 7,291
Default

Originally Posted by t3rockhall View Post
The security charge is paid by the user, in this case, Verizon, and not with taxpayer dollars. The officers are off-duty and volunteer for the service. My community association had a local event here last year, and we paid for uniformed police security (at time-and-a half) out of our own pocket. The local PD did provide an unused car to be parked for the cops to sit in and be available for emergencies. It ain't coming out of taxpayers' pockets.
And if a cruiser is present who pays for that?
NJFISH is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 06:58 PM
  #17  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Northern NJ (near the US)
Posts: 1,619
Default

I live in NJ, so, yes, it is that way where I live.

My company uses PD as night watchmen on our floors, in addition to the normal building security. Not sure how they get paid, but they're in uniform when on-site.
LMychajluk is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 07:00 PM
  #18  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 16,849
Default

Originally Posted by NJFISH View Post
And if a cruiser is present who pays for that?
Verizon pays the muni. around 20% for the use of the car. So in the end... YOU pay for the cruiser too!

I laugh -- I use to hear it all the time... "Why do you get so upset that PSEG uses cops on jobs for $100 an hour?, you're not paying for it, PSEG is"

Yeah right... and I pay the PSEG bill!

Some people can be mighty silly...

I use to get, "awe, come'on -- that's different" -- really? How?
OldPete is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 07:15 PM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Elizabeth City NC
Posts: 9,490
Default

Originally Posted by Cracker View Post
In that type of situation hiring the Police is the SMART thing to do. You have to remember that IS a very violatile situation and there is a lawyer just waiting for someone to get hurt so they can sue the company for not attempting to provide protection for their workers. The price paid for Police protection will be a drop in the bucket compared to what it will cost the company in a lawsuit...
X2.....
You hire one retired officer you have one.
You hire one HP or police unit you get thousands if he needs back up.
Nuff said... Smart move by the ones that use them..

Last edited by liveaboard74; 08-20-2011 at 07:27 PM.
liveaboard74 is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 07:26 PM
  #20  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: NJ
Posts: 7,291
Default

Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
Verizon pays the muni. around 20% for the use of the car. So in the end... YOU pay for the cruiser too!

I laugh -- I use to hear it all the time... "Why do you get so upset that PSEG uses cops on jobs for $100 an hour?, you're not paying for it, PSEG is"

Yeah right... and I pay the PSEG bill!

Some people can be mighty silly...

I use to get, "awe, come'on -- that's different" -- really? How?
Exactly.
NJFISH is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread