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Old 08-18-2011, 06:11 AM
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I live in the country and have a mailbox out at the road. Recently the Post Office did a reassessment and they are telling me my mailbox at the end of the driveway will have to be moved...apparently it is within 75 meters from an intersection...which it is. They have marked out where I am to put it. The problem is, where they want me to put it is right over top of a high pressure natural gas line.....so we are having dialog....no verdict is rendered as of yet.

One thing they have suggested is for me to cement the mailbox post in a 5 gal. bucket of cement. Well my question to you guys is, wouldn't a vehicle driving over a 5 gallon buck of cement cause a tremendous amount of damage? And is their not the possibility of the bucket of cement getting under the vehicle and causing the vehicle it to loose steering control and possible cause the vehicle to overturn?

My other question to you guys is: if the Post Office is suggesting or telling me that is my only option and it has to be done that way, would you get them to put it in writing before I act on it? My thinking is if I have it in writing from them, if there ever was an accident involving my mailbox that would put the negligence squarely on their shoulders not mine.

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You can't bury the bucket of concrete so its top is even with the surface of the ground?
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I'd def get it in writing as well as looking at other places. lets see some pics of where it is vs where they wantit.
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Old 08-18-2011, 06:19 AM
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Can dig a hole for mounting 3'-4' back away from the road so it's not on top of thegas line and have an arm extending the box itself to the spot where the PO wants it to be?
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Are you planning on driving over your mailbox?

Although it's a hassle, you could probably buy a precast HVAC/equipment pad. (they are cheap, less than $100) You could then bolt a wood post to it with a steel collar. Bury it very shallow so it's just covered (or not) and call it a day. There would be essentially no chance of damage to the gas line and if it had to be moved, it could be.
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sounds like you pissed someone off there as well...Slip them a hundo and stop sleeping with the guys wife

But really I would aslo want to see some pic's and their detailed to your address step by step on what exactly do to. Would it be on you if someone ran over your mailbox? Doubt it, I would think they would owe you a new mailbox and a 5 gal bucket of cement. Of course unless the bucket somehow made it out to the street during a 100kt blow or something, so I would have a back up plan maybe a teather 10-15 ft to something else or the gas pipe
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Originally Posted by t3rockhall View Post
You can't bury the bucket of concrete so its top is even with the surface of the ground?
They have suggested that, but what's to stop the bucket from pulling out of the soft sandy soil and logging itself under the undercarriage when the vehicle passes over it? Hence why I'm asking the question.

There is more to this story.

My home is at the end of a mail route and the driver has to do a retrace (meaning go back the way they came). If I deny the driver from using my driveway as a turn around point (which I have the legal right to do) the Post Office is saying the driver will have to do a 3 point turn in the middle of the intersection at the end of the road everyday. The problems with a driver doing a 3 point turn in the middle of that intersection everyday is just up the road is what we call a blind hill, the rate of speed the farmers travel on the road is quite high, we do get winter with snow and ice and there has been fatalities on that corner in the past and other intersection along that stretch of road.

I have proposed the mailbox be moved inside my driveway (and in doing so I will grant them the legal right to use my driveway as a turnaround point) but the original assessment showed my mailbox on the roadway and therefore they say they can't go against the original assessment....I suggested they do another assessment....that is pending....I might hear back from them today in regards to such matters?
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Originally Posted by 08087 View Post
Can dig a hole for mounting 3'-4' back away from the road so it's not on top of thegas line and have an arm extending the box itself to the spot where the PO wants it to be?
Because of the elevation of the road and the grade of the bank I'd have to build a steel structure that would be some 8' high with an arm some 10' long.
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Aside from the 5 gallon bucket maybe damaging a car, isn't there the chance some prankster will move a "portable mailbox" Maybe only in the US but I think you have your share of lads looking for things to do.......
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Aside from the 5 gallon bucket maybe damaging a car, isn't there the chance some prankster will move a "portable mailbox" Maybe only in the US but I think you have your share of lads looking for things to do.......
Oh yeah, busted up mailboxes is nothing new to me...I've had my share.
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why dont u just let him turn around in your driveway and not move anything?
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we have same situation and mailman is happy to turn around in our drive. Mailbox 20 feet up drive, the back in to drive instead of backing onto road.

Sounds like somebody gots a bureaucratic hard on for ya.
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Originally Posted by thajeffski View Post
why dont u just let him turn around in your driveway and not move anything?

Can they reach the box from the driveway without getting out of their truck/car? That may be the ticket
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The postal delivery guys and gals at my GF's house (very hilly streets) actually walk the route up and down the hills. Maybe ask for a delivery person in better shape!
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You can put on top of a high pressure gas line just have it marked , and tell them to probe the depth. I guarantee the gas line is at least 4' deep. I have one at the rear of some commerical property and we installed a 9' chain link fence , the holes were dug 4' deep and we were no where near the line , however a low pressure line is a different story.
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Call the gas company and tell them that their gas line is near a proposed mail box site and that they have to move their line....
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Why are you worrying about damaging a car. I have a treated 6x6 pt about 4 feet in the ground. It would tear the hell out of a car if they hit but it would be their fault, wouldn't it?
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They have suggested that, but what's to stop the bucket from pulling out of the soft sandy soil and logging itself under the undercarriage when the vehicle passes over it?

I just noticed that all of the traffic signs mounted on wood 4x4's (in California) now have a hole about 1-1/2 inches in dia drilled through each 4x4 just above ground level, and another hole drilled about a foot above that hole. Any vehicle that hits that 4x4 upright will easily shear it at ground level. You can do the same with your mailbox post.
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I just noticed that all of the traffic signs mounted on wood 4x4's (in California) now have a hole about 1-1/2 inches in dia drilled through each 4x4 just above ground level, and another hole drilled about a foot above that hole. Any vehicle that hits that 4x4 upright will easily shear it at ground level. You can do the same with your mailbox post.
Exactly, I have also seen them circular sawed half way thru.
Although if your gonna do that, why not use a 2x4 to begin with?

Be careful about building an indestructable mailbox when trying to thwart vandals.
So courts/juries have found such to be a liability for the owners.
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I have proposed the mailbox be moved inside my driveway (and in doing so I will grant them the legal right to use my driveway as a turnaround point)
Just do it. Simplest solution

Anyway....I have seen the cement bucket thing cause sometimes its real hard to dig around here or you hit ledge (yes even right next to the road). We actually have a few back roads where you drive on the top of the ledge. Great ice pack in the winter.

Be good to the post man - We have a real good girl now who brings all the packages right to the door! I have never tipped the mailman at Christmas but I may make an exception this year.

Is advice spelled advise in Canada and the UK? And isn't this a GM vehicle? Does it make that British 2 tone beep when it backs up?

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