Notices

THT Legal advise - mailboxes

Old 08-18-2011, 02:44 PM
  #21  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
THT sponsor
 
Schmaltz~Herring's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Cruising Lake Titikacka On My 18' Bayliner Element With 60 HP Optimax's
Posts: 17,344
Default

get a PO Box.
Schmaltz~Herring is offline  
Old 08-18-2011, 04:13 PM
  #22  
Admirals ClubCaptains Club Member Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Birmingham / Hessel, MI
Posts: 26,971
Default

Would this work?
Attached Images  
cedarholm is offline  
Old 08-19-2011, 07:44 AM
  #23  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Garett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 24,162
Default

Originally Posted by thajeffski View Post
why dont u just let him turn around in your driveway and not move anything?
Originally Posted by scottdd1 View Post
we have same situation and mailman is happy to turn around in our drive. Mailbox 20 feet up drive, the back in to drive instead of backing onto road.

Sounds like somebody gots a bureaucratic hard on for ya.
Originally Posted by grouperkng View Post

Can they reach the box from the driveway without getting out of their truck/car? That may be the ticket
Bureaucratic bullshit is what it is. Some pencil pusher came up with a plan and somehow it appears to be written in stone. I can see them holding fast to the finally draft despite a lot of people not being happy with having to move their mailboxes. But IMO there has to be exceptions to the rule, especially when it comes to the safety of the delivery person(s). The movement of the boxes was with the safety of the drivers involved; therefore it just doesn't make sense to me to exponentially increase the damager factor. At this time I am lead to believe my case is being reviewed...I might hear something today - yesterday's call back yielded nothing, just that my case is still being reviewed.

My driveway is highway grade asphalt and is 3 lanes wide, so the driver doesn’t have to do any backing up, just drive in and turn around in a circle and drive out. The clown I was talking with yesterday said but my driveway is inside the 75 meters from the intersection and therefore he didn’t see me having my mailbox inside my driveway….what an idiot!

Our mailboxes have to be setup so the driver doesn’t have to get out of their vehicles.
Garett is offline  
Old 08-19-2011, 07:51 AM
  #24  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Garett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 24,162
Default

Originally Posted by Shag View Post
Why are you worrying about damaging a car. I have a treated 6x6 pt about 4 feet in the ground. It would tear the hell out of a car if they hit but it would be their fault, wouldn't it?
I don't know whose fault it would be after a lawyer gets their hands on the case? And it's because of that liability I am asking. What really constitutes breakaway? If the post breaks mid point but the mailbox come up through the windshield is that safer than a mailbox post that doesn't break and yet it lies down and the vehicle drives over the whole thing?
Garett is offline  
Old 08-19-2011, 09:02 AM
  #25  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: The left coast.
Posts: 1,881
Default

Originally Posted by Garett View Post
Our mailboxes have to be setup so the driver doesn’t have to get out of their vehicles.
As I mentioned earlier, the usual postal delivery person at my GF's hilly streets walk the route. Yesterday was the one day a week replacement person and he drove to each house, stopped the motor, walked the mail to the box or door then got back in the vehicle and restarted the motor and did the same thing at the next house and so on. These are track homes and the properties are not that wide.
the good life is offline  
Old 08-19-2011, 10:34 AM
  #26  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Garett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 24,162
Default

Hey the handicapped, aren't they allowed equal opportunity too? ...to funny!
Garett is offline  
Old 08-19-2011, 11:05 AM
  #27  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Fish'nFool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Anywhere but here...
Posts: 24,706
Default

Is there a law/code that you have to have a free standing mailbox within a certain distance from the side of the road? If not remove the mailbox all together and install a small mail drop box on the side of your house next to the front door.
Fish'nFool is offline  
Old 08-19-2011, 11:30 AM
  #28  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: South Florida
Posts: 9,140
Default

Originally Posted by the good life View Post
As I mentioned earlier, the usual postal delivery person at my GF's hilly streets walk the route. Yesterday was the one day a week replacement person and he drove to each house, stopped the motor, walked the mail to the box or door then got back in the vehicle and restarted the motor and did the same thing at the next house and so on. These are track homes and the properties are not that wide.
Yeah, here we have 70' wide lot,s and the mail carrier walks 25' from the street to the house to drop off the mail. They stop the mail truck every other house, deliver the mail, drive 140 feet, turn off the truck, etc. One time I thought I was going to have to help him push start it and I asked him how come they do it like that, and he said yeah they go through starters a lot but they aren't allowed to leave their vehicles running.
Flot is offline  
Old 08-19-2011, 11:42 AM
  #29  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 829
Default

Be very cautious of putting anything on the right of way that may damage/cause injury. In the state of Florida, a 4"X4" piece of "shearable" material is the only allowed PO mailbox stands. I had a 6"X6" piece of p/t wood and got a nasty notice from the po explaining that if someone ran off the road (or hit it with a bicycle) I would be responsible.
cmatthews7 is offline  
Old 08-19-2011, 12:01 PM
  #30  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Hockesssin, DE
Posts: 1,113
Default

You could spend your whole life thinking about ways you could be liable for something that could lead to a law suit. You can fight the Post Office but they are going to say that for the safety of their carriers they have to stop delivering mail. Right, wrong or indifferent it just is not worth the time you have on this earth to fight them. And, while I understand your concern about the pipe line etc., it seems like a little front to tell the Post Office no. Stick the mailbaox where they want it in a way that is cheap, easy (and if you have to be anal about it) safe. put reflectors all over the darn thing and buy some mats that they wrap around the goal posts in the footbal stadiums and get an $1,000,000.00 umbrella policy on your homeowners insurance.

Then smile, polish your boat, go fishing and spend some time with the family and friends! Because that is really what is important in life!! Start living or start dying - and fighting the post office isn't living!!
Port Monster is offline  
Old 08-19-2011, 07:36 PM
  #31  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: S. Galvez, Louisiana. Ame
Posts: 7,448
Default

High pressure gas line?

How far into the ground are planning on digging the mailbox post?

The gasline probably has a minimum of 3-4' of cover. Put the mail box post in the ground 18" and call it good.

No need for drama.
twentynine is offline  
Old 08-19-2011, 07:46 PM
  #32  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,279
Default

Originally Posted by Garett View Post
They have suggested that, but what's to stop the bucket from pulling out of the soft sandy soil and logging itself under the undercarriage when the vehicle passes over it? Hence why I'm asking the question.

There is more to this story.

My home is at the end of a mail route and the driver has to do a retrace (meaning go back the way they came). If I deny the driver from using my driveway as a turn around point (which I have the legal right to do) the Post Office is saying the driver will have to do a 3 point turn in the middle of the intersection at the end of the road everyday. The problems with a driver doing a 3 point turn in the middle of that intersection everyday is just up the road is what we call a blind hill, the rate of speed the farmers travel on the road is quite high, we do get winter with snow and ice and there has been fatalities on that corner in the past and other intersection along that stretch of road.

I have proposed the mailbox be moved inside my driveway (and in doing so I will grant them the legal right to use my driveway as a turnaround point) but the original assessment showed my mailbox on the roadway and therefore they say they can't go against the original assessment....I suggested they do another assessment....that is pending....I might hear back from them today in regards to such matters?


That sounds like a good plan to me.
Deriso is offline  
Old 08-19-2011, 07:48 PM
  #33  
Senior MemberPLEDGERPLEDGERCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: ATL & SAV
Posts: 12,251
Default

I suggest you go all Ruby Ridge on this shit and start busting some caps on the perps
Tireless is offline  
Old 08-20-2011, 04:40 AM
  #34  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Thornton's Ferry,NH,USA
Posts: 10,659
Default

I'm guessing you're not really in Scotland?

If you can't reach some other compromise write a letter to your Representative, or to one of your Senators. In the letter explain the USPS claim but include that your mail-box has been in that spot since time im-memorial (or at least prior to this standard). 75 meters (aprx 220 feet) is more frontage than many lots have and is unreasonable at best and a hardship at the least for you.

Good luck!
Kamper is offline  
Old 08-21-2011, 03:04 PM
  #35  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Puerto Pensaco Mexico, just south of Rock Point
Posts: 11,530
Default

"...apparently it is within 75 meters from an intersection..."


I would tell the USPS that this is the United States. Things are measured in inches, feet, yards. etc.. no wonder they are losing so much money... they musta got a tree hugger telling them what to do
lobstercatcher is offline  
Old 08-21-2011, 03:09 PM
  #36  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Puerto Pensaco Mexico, just south of Rock Point
Posts: 11,530
Default

Originally Posted by the good life View Post
The postal delivery guys and gals at my GF's house (very hilly streets) actually walk the route up and down the hills. Maybe ask for a delivery person in better shape!
I remember when the mail man use to walk to each house. The house not a mailbox at the street. I think the USPS wasn't loosing billions of dollars back then
lobstercatcher is offline  
Old 08-22-2011, 02:48 PM
  #37  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Pensacola
Posts: 2,122
Default

Originally Posted by cmatthews7 View Post
Be very cautious of putting anything on the right of way that may damage/cause injury. In the state of Florida, a 4"X4" piece of "shearable" material is the only allowed PO mailbox stands. I had a 6"X6" piece of p/t wood and got a nasty notice from the po explaining that if someone ran off the road (or hit it with a bicycle) I would be responsible.
That can't possibly be true for Florida.
There must be 500 of the totally brick mailbox "houses" in my subdivision in Pensacola.
DoubleO7 is offline  
Old 08-22-2011, 04:50 PM
  #38  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Thornton's Ferry,NH,USA
Posts: 10,659
Default

Originally Posted by DoubleO7 View Post
That can't possibly be true for Florida.
...
I think it's BS everywhere. I've seen boxes mounted mounted on stumps of trees that were conveniently (re-)located and some large logs as well as pieces of phone pole.
Kamper is offline  
Old 08-22-2011, 05:10 PM
  #39  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: North Coast of America
Posts: 7,107
Default

Get a post hole digger, dig down to the frost line, throw the mailbox post into the hole making sure the box will be at a legal USPS height, fill with fast setting concrete, add some water, stir, stabilize the post in the hole to plumb and let it set. Attach the mailbox. Problem solved.
osudaddy is offline  
Old 08-22-2011, 05:22 PM
  #40  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Hockesssin, DE
Posts: 1,113
Default

Originally Posted by Kamper View Post
I think it's BS everywhere. I've seen boxes mounted mounted on stumps of trees that were conveniently (re-)located and some large logs as well as pieces of phone pole.
Stop - are yopu telling me people exagerate on THT?? I think my world is going to end!!
Port Monster is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread