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Spent $1 billion to build a plant in charleston SC and the labor unions could possibly hold up work there as they sue Boeing for moving.

There is no place for unions anymore, a company should be able to build a plant any where in the country they want. I can't wait to see what the union thinks when Boeing moves the other plant out here and there are no more unions jobs!

Then those folks will have to get a real job where you have to work hard to keep your job not get hand outs from union thugs!
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Spent $1 billion to build a plant in charleston SC and the labor unions could possibly hold up work there as they sue Boeing for moving.

There is no place for unions anymore, a company should be able to build a plant any where in the country they want. I can't wait to see what the union thinks when Boeing moves the other plant out here and there are no more unions jobs!

Then those folks will have to get a real job where you have to work hard to keep your job not get hand outs from union thugs!
You should see what the union workers purportedly do while on the clock in Palmdale. Their lack of quality has been blamed for costing lives in the military and for costing the taxpayers billions.
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Shortsightedness of unions. Old news but relevant:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/artic...0_FNULCi981443
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There is no place for unions anymore, a company should be able to build a plant any where in the country they want. I can't wait to see what the union thinks when Boeing moves the other plant out here and there are no more unions jobs!

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Here's what happens when you do that.



http://www.kirotv.com/investigations...82/detail.html
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Shortsightedness of unions. Old news but relevant:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/artic...0_FNULCi981443
Yep, and then $9/hr is too much to pay, so all manufacturing moves off the continent because it can be done for $9/day someplace else.
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So you think South Carolinians are not capable of good, quality work? Only unions are? Thanks for the laugh this hot Thursday morning. Is it break time yet?
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So you think South Carolinians are not capable of good, quality work? Only unions are? Thanks for the laugh this hot Thursday morning. Is it break time yet?
They build some nice Bimmers.
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So you think South Carolinians are not capable of good, quality work? Only unions are? Thanks for the laugh this hot Thursday morning. Is it break time yet?
No, not at all.

Read the story..
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2...oming-to-town/
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So you think South Carolinians are not capable of good, quality work? Only unions are? Thanks for the laugh this hot Thursday morning. Is it break time yet?
Is the guy in Central America less capable at $2/day?
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I'm all for keeping the work in the US, not anywhere else. Last I checked, SC was still "one of us".

What the article said to me was: The unions are suing to keep Boeing from moving. Did I miss something?
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They build some nice Bimmers.
For now! Did you read where Volvo is opening three plant in China?
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I'm all for keeping the work in the US, not anywhere else. Last I checked, SC was still "one of us".

What the article said to me was: The unions are suing to keep Boeing from moving. Did I miss something?
They're suing (not the unions, but the government) for alleged labor law violations. Worst case outcome, Boeing has to pay the employee's there a little better.
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They're suing (not the unions, but the government) for alleged labor law violations. Worst case outcome, Boeing has to pay the employee's there a little better.


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Why anyone would be against a state's right to work status is so far beyond what my core values are about. It's obvious that only, I mean ONLY, a union worker could be against it.

The unions are the ones driving these companies out of the USA. 3M CEO just a few months ago spoke of it...that doing business here cannot be competitive because of the high union wages. The days of union thuggery should be over. There are plenty of people that WANT to work at a reasonable AND fair pay rate, not the inflated union rates. The only reason they get away with it is because if they are not accommodated they don't work, essentially shutting down a business AND spiting themselves as in the Mercury wrangle. They were ready to lose their jobs then make any concessions. It doesn't get any more shortsighted than that.
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I'm all for keeping the work in the US, not anywhere else. Last I checked, SC was still "one of us".

What the article said to me was: The unions are suing to keep Boeing from moving. Did I miss something?
NJFISH, in the case of Brunswick, how do you keep jobs in the US when production can be shipped overseas at a lower rate? How are you for "all for" keeping jobs in the US? Do you buy items only made in the USA? Is it a T-shirt you wear? Just curious. Do you check that sentiment every time you shop at Wal-mart? Just how does that work?
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For now! Did you read where Volvo is opening three plants in China?
That's because the Chinese own Volvo

China's Geely buys Volvo for $1.5bn

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Unions need to be done away with. You should be hired, fired, get raises and promotions through job performance and experience not what organization you belong to. You feel cheated by the company you work for then go work somewhere else. One Mans crappy job is another Mans dream job.
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Boeing plant in N. Charleston is a new plant to keep up with the demand for the Dreamliner they are not moving any facilities out of Everett. It is the union claiming retaliation, the company built the plant because they went on strike. The strike set back production for years. It is pure politics and it started after the skinny socialist loaded the board with his fellow union members.
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Why anyone would be against a state's right to work status is so far beyond what my core values are about. It's obvious that only, I mean ONLY, a union worker could be against it.

The unions are the ones driving these companies out of the USA. 3M CEO just a few months ago spoke of it...that doing business here cannot be competitive because of the high union wages. The days of union thuggery should be over. There are plenty of people that WANT to work at a reasonable AND fair pay rate, not the inflated union rates. The only reason they get away with it is because if they are not accommodated they don't work, essentially shutting down a business AND spiting themselves as in the Mercury wrangle. They were ready to lose their jobs then make any concessions. It doesn't get any more shortsighted than that.
Back to your prior statement. Apparently JetBlue doesn't think US personnel are capable of providing quality work. Note the use of the words "superior" in reference to the 2$/hr workers.


http://www.kirotv.com/download/2011/0517/27928155.pdf

Ever fly them? Their pilots are unionizing..

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/jet...ers-2011-06-06
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NJFISH, in the case of Brunswick, how do you keep jobs in the US when production can be shipped overseas at a lower rate? How are you for "all for" keeping jobs in the US? Do you buy items only made in the USA? Is it a T-shirt you wear? Just curious. Do you check that sentiment every time you shop at Wal-mart? Just how does that work?
No, I'm not an "only buy US" person, nor do I have any t-shirts that profess that. But that said, I don't want to keep loosing jobs due to the high cost of appeasement so Union worker Joe can keep his $ 50.00/hour job turning a wrench. Unskilled labor is just that - unskilled. That means ANYONE can do it. I don't have any issues with people that do that type of work, but let's be honest, it's not worth the pay. We are talking assembly line work here, and the industry does not matter. A part could fail whether assembled by a union plant or a non-union plant, so don't tell me we'd be sacrificing safety either.

In the case of Brunswick, they were moving to OK, not overseas. Again, OK is another right to work state, where people are thankful to work as opposed to be entitled to it.

I think my POV is clear, I'll leave it at this.
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