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Old 06-08-2011, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ABoater View Post
No. Not for traffic infractions. For example, speeding (reckless driving aside).

Citations result in fines and points on your driving record (traffic school and community service might be offered in lieu of fines and points).

A recent law for juveniles (probationary driver's license) is a little twist on the matter, but the cites are still infractions. It's just that the juvenile can have their license yanked until they are an adult.
That is good info.

But--I still don't like red light cameras because I believe it is purely for revenue as oppossed to safety and traffic control. If you take a look at the authority a State or local entity has to implement traffic controls it is usually centered around safety and traffic management. In those kinds of statutory authority it is a clear violation of state statute to implement red lights to collect revenue and have no clear evidence that they were placed for the statutory reasons. It pisses me off to no end to see cities time traffic lights that impeded traffic because they are using the red lights to regulate speed. When their only statutory authority to installing the light was to "improve the flow" of traffic. We let them get away with rape.
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
It must good thing because all you guys who run red lights don't like it.
Plus a lot of us guys that have not received any tickets for red lights. Some of us have not gotten a ticket in almost 30 years. Before you label all of us as speed demons and law breakers because we oppose something perhaps you should open your mind that we may oppose it on principle. I have received one ticket in my life when I was a freshman in college in the 80s. I don't need a camera to make me drive properly.
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Originally Posted by jrolin1 View Post
Plus a lot of us guys that have not received any tickets for red lights. Some of us have not gotten a ticket in almost 30 years. Before you label all of us as speed demons and law breakers because we oppose something perhaps you should open your mind that we may oppose it on principle. I have received one ticket in my life when I was a freshman in college in the 80s. I don't need a camera to make me drive properly.
I got a ticket for speeding once. In 1957.
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:38 AM
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I remember years ago, when they started using radar to catch speeders, that a palm tree in Fl was clocked doing 80 MPH. People used that example, and was able to beat the ticket in court. They ( the police) worked thru the bugs, and now when you get caught with radar, there is no fighting it.
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Originally Posted by t3rockhall View Post
I got a ticket for speeding once. In 1957.
I am over 50 and have never been ticketed for any violation.

Red light cameras suck. If you want to stop people from running red lights then let the cops do the job. It has not free'd up any LEO like the camera proponents have claimed. It has created a bigger more bloated beauracracy.
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Originally Posted by stars-N-stripers View Post
I remember years ago, when they started using radar to catch speeders, that a palm tree in Fl was clocked doing 80 MPH. People used that example, and was able to beat the ticket in court. They ( the police) worked thru the bugs, and now when you get caught with radar, there is no fighting it.
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Thats correct. And, the cop is an expert EYEwitness.
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:44 AM
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Watching traffic behaviors over the years is something I subconciously do and make note of trends. In the early 90's around here it was fashionable for youth to drive with their lights off well past dark. The implication was to elict a flash from an oncoming car. The twist was that if you did that, you were disrespecting their decision to drive that way.

Also recently legally passing another vehicle was a sign of disrespect for the slower driver. I personally witnessed after I passed a slower vehicel, that same vehicle, over take and pass me in a no passing zone, and then slow back down to their previous slow speed.

Another fad was two vehicles traveling thru a stop sign controlled intersection at the same time, piggyback fashion.

Now it's stretching the amber/red light at intersections. And the funny thing is that green, amber, red has been around probably for a hundred years. Everyone knows the drill and has plenty of time to stop without causing accident. That is if they are even looking.

No one begrudges a car exiting an intersection that gets caught exiting under a red light. The issue is a car ENTERING an intersection after the the light is red. People are starting to cross the intersection on foot and depend that the vehicles will stop. Lately I see people with plenty of forewarning, drive right thru an intersection under red, without even a thought to stopping.

That behavior needs to be changed or it will really become epidemic.

There is no punishment enough for someone who willfully ignores red light and causes an accident
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I demand the right to run red lights, and to not be ticketed!
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
Making quite a leap there aren't we?

A red light camera on a pole operated by my City has nothing at all in common with an onboard monitoring system.

What do you have to hide when it comes to running a red light? It is a public act on a public right of way in plain view of everyone. You have no expectation of privacy at all in that situation.
Your missing the point. Red light cameras could just be the beginning. It is a slippery slope of the government intervening on your life when not needed. Someone said in a post about the on board monitoring system being a leap, but why? You would still be violating the law in a public area, and according to your logic, it would be OK for the government to fine you because hey, you don't have a right to speed either. The on board system just makes their job a bit easier, like red light cameras.

Again, if you get caught by a real person, take your medicine and accept it. We don't need to keep giving up our civil liberties and turn this nation into a police state.
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Originally Posted by aln View Post
Also recently legally passing another vehicle was a sign of disrespect for the slower driver. I personally witnessed after I passed a slower vehicel, that same vehicle, over take and pass me in a no passing zone, and then slow back down to their previous slow speed.









Yeah, if you want some slow-azz driver to speed up, act like you are going to pass them!

But (at least while I was working), I had a cure for that!
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Originally Posted by nmaz View Post
Your missing the point. Red light cameras could just be the beginning. It is a slippery slope of the government intervening on your life when not needed. Someone said in a post about the on board monitoring system being a leap, but why? You would still be violating the law in a public area, and according to your logic, it would be OK for the government to fine you because hey, you don't have a right to speed either. The on board system just makes their job a bit easier, like red light cameras.

Again, if you get caught by a real person, take your medicine and accept it. We don't need to keep giving up our civil liberties and turn this nation into a police state.
You would be shocked to know what is already being monitored without you knowing it via your cell phone, internet connection and home land line.
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Originally Posted by Capt.Willie View Post
But--I still don't like red light cameras because I believe it is purely for revenue as oppossed to safety and traffic control.








There is no doubt that cities make a ton of money off of them without much investment.

Until they get sued for the crashes (supposedly due to the camera's being there)...
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Originally Posted by nmaz View Post
Your missing the point. Red light cameras could just be the beginning. It is a slippery slope of the government intervening on your life when not needed. Someone said in a post about the on board monitoring system being a leap, but why? You would still be violating the law in a public area, and according to your logic, it would be OK for the government to fine you because hey, you don't have a right to speed either. The on board system just makes their job a bit easier, like red light cameras.

Again, if you get caught by a real person, take your medicine and accept it. We don't need to keep giving up our civil liberties and turn this nation into a police state.
What civil liberty?

The right to run a red light?

You are missing the point, not me.
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Originally Posted by ABoater View Post
There is no doubt that cities make a ton of money off of them without much investment.

Until they get sued for the crashes (supposedly due to the camera's being there)...
Get sued for what?

Enforcing the law?;?
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Old 06-08-2011, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
What civil liberty?

The right to run a red light?

You are missing the point, not me.
Your certainly don't get it. This could just be the beginning of the government overstepping its boundaries.

I am guessing that you are not disciplined enough to run you own life, and require the government to do it for you. Sounds like you are a proponent of communism.
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I think the people not disciplined enough to run their own life are the ones running red lights.
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Originally Posted by nmaz View Post
Your certainly don't get it. This could just be the beginning of the government overstepping its boundaries.

I am guessing that you are not disciplined enough to run you own life, and require the government to do it for you. Sounds like you are a proponent of communism.
No. Quite the opposite. I am a libertarian by philosophy.

Do you think we could all live without traffic lights?

So you believe traffic lights are related to communism?;?
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Originally Posted by Afishinado View Post
Wonderful.... F...k! Not having a good few days in that department, just got my first ticket Friday in a long time, for a law I didn't even know existed.... The 'move over law'. WTF? Sure enough, the very next rest area on the FL tpk there was a big azz sign warning about it.... DUHHHH. Trooper told me it was the law in 48 states...

Which move over law, the one that requires a wide berth for stopped emergency vehicles?
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
Make no difference to me who is driving. Unless the car has been reported as stolen to the police the owner is responsible for it.
Hertz Car Rental Company does not agree with you.
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Saw one of the printout/photos of someone that got a red light camera ticket in So Calif. There was 3 pix on the page; as already mentioned, one pic of the car behind the limiting line and the traffic light is red, a pic of the car in the middle of the intersection and the light is red, and a big pic of the driver's face! There is no denying the car ran a red light and who was driving.

I think in Calif it is a moving violation and the incident is a point on the driver's driving record. Maybe that is why the pic of the driver's face.
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