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Old 06-07-2011, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bsmit24 View Post
No need to purchase special license plate covers, just let the admiral back up your truck to the boat trailer a few times and your plate will be almost unreadable.









In California, you can get cited for that too!
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Afishinado View Post
That is against the law too

Nothing shall be placed upon the face of a Florida plate except as permitted by law or by rule or regulation of a governmental agency. 316.605 Licensing of vehicles

"the registration decal, and the alphanumeric designation shall be clear and distinct and free from defacement, mutilation, grease, and other obscuring matter, so that they will be plainly visible and legible at all times 100 feet from the rear or front. "
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:23 PM
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^^^^^^^^

It used to be illegal in CA as well, but they have now allowed clear plate covers (not tinted ones) that do not distort the vision of the plate.

Plus, we are required to have a front plate here too...
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt.Willie View Post
You have a right to confront your accuser. That is just a start. I can give you more law on this than you could read in 2 months.
You can go to court if you want. Just costs you more.

Why are you so fired up to run red lights. Is it a habit of yours?
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by nmaz View Post
That is true, the cameras are run by private companies who get a cut of every ticket. The problem here in Florida is that they only take a pic of your plate, not the driver. When they send you the ticket, you can sign a affidavit saying you were not the driver. Unfortunately, in FL if you do not pay the ticket, the municipal citation becomes a state citation with a regular red light fine. ($263 + points) Here is the good news, (at least in south FL) if you fight the ticket in court, most traffic magistrates are dismissing them, because the burden of proof is still on the state to prove that you are driving, and there is nobody to testify on behalf of the state that you were driving, and in court, you certainly have the right to not self incriminate, and have your due process. (there are some advantages to living in liberal Broward County)

Now, I certainly don't condone running red lights, and if there is an officer there to write a ticket, I'm all for it. But this proliferation of big brother is getting out of hand. Would people feel the same if there were speed cameras every 5 miles from Ft. Laud to Orlando writing tickets for those who go 5 mph over the speed limit? How about if there were cameras on the light pole in front of your house that recorded your illegal lawn watering during these water restrictions. Sure, if a real person came by and observed the violation and issued a citation, I have no issues, but like I said, enough with the big brother already.

Red light cameras are about money not safety.
BS. They catch and deter red light runners. That saves lives and money. If local government picks up some funding in the deal, good. They won't need to raise my taxes as soon.

I could care less about the feelings of someone who blows through red lights. I see the a**holes here all the time. Its bad enough that you have to wait a few seconds after a green light to to let any red light runners blast through. Screw em. They can pay up or have their vehicles confiscated and sold as far I am concerned.
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bsmit24 View Post
Red light cameras do not necessarily make an intersection safer and can make them more dangerous as others have already stated. Especially if the signal timing is changed to favor increased revenue instead of safety.
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Stopping red light runners infringes on no one's liberty since no one has the right to violate traffic safety laws.
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And the last time I checked, possessing a driver's license was a privilege, not a right...

Just like with this forum, follow the rules or suffer the consequences...
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PROFINITY View Post
Mike- YEAH BABY!

Although I prefer a personalized message to express my warm and charming personality.

How about we organize a rally and have at least 1000 people drive through red lights, in a safe manner of course and we all smile for the camera. Civil disobedience is appropriate here.

I sure hope these cameras don't cause someone an accident and causation for a lawsuit.

Can you say BB gun?
If you don't like red light cameras and you want to obscure your plates you probably won't like mobile license plate scanners mounted in police cruisers either:
http://www.elsag.com/mobile.htm

I think they are a great idea. No need to call manually in or check on the computer for suspicious tags or cars. Just drive around scanning every car you pass.
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:49 PM
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Seacat, how long will it take for you to catch on that this is not about any of us who feel we have the right to run redlights. Its simply a fact that redlight cameras abuse our constitutional rights.

With your logic, if someone is doing something wrong, who cares how you catch them, I mean we don't really need warrants to we, no let the police walk into YOUR house anytime they want and inspect for any ways in which you may be breaking the law.... It's an extreme but according to everything I've read that you have posted you feel this would be ok?

Someone asked if anyone had ever tried leaving a traffic stop, I routinely say "am I being detained or am I free to go" when the officer wants to start playing those cute little games. It might piss em off but gets the point across that you are at least somewhat informed of your rights and aren't willing to play along with their games.
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Old 06-07-2011, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JCM 1420 View Post
Seacat, how long will it take for you to catch on that this is not about any of us who feel we have the right to run redlights. Its simply a fact that redlight cameras abuse our constitutional rights.

With your logic, if someone is doing something wrong, who cares how you catch them, I mean we don't really need warrants to we, no let the police walk into YOUR house anytime they want and inspect for any ways in which you may be breaking the law.... It's an extreme but according to everything I've read that you have posted you feel this would be ok?

Someone asked if anyone had ever tried leaving a traffic stop, I routinely say "am I being detained or am I free to go" when the officer wants to start playing those cute little games. It might piss em off but gets the point across that you are at least somewhat informed of your rights and aren't willing to play along with their games.
What constitutional right do you have to run red lights?

No warrant is needed to take a photograph in a public place that proves a violation has occurred.
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:07 PM
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I don't speed. I obey the law. I have not had a ticket of any kind in years. I have no points on my DL.

This traffic camera crap is just that, crap. It is another form of taxation. Those who like this sort of thing are likely sucking off the taxpayers tit or a family member or friend is doing so.

I am aware of license plate scanners and believe they have a place, however, also believe they may be used as harassment. The reality for me is that I have known many police officers, some good and some bad people. These automated devices appear to breed complacency and laziness instead of good police work.

Regarding the request for a jury trial concerning these type of matters, this is a great idea if the court allowed for a jury trial for such a matter. I'm not sure the accused would be granted a jury trial in this instance. The reality is, the accused would need to hire representation. For many people this is a financial burden they can not afford. This in itself is a form of discrimination and to the average citizen an unfair and unbalanced society. Jefferson and the others who wrote our laws did NOT intend for the Justice system to operate in the manner it does today. They had a term for it and it is called tyranny. Any of you ever hear, "Better to let 10 guilty men go free than convict a single innocent man"? WTF happened to the presumption of innocence? Some of you are like the Gestapo. Just remember what their fate ultimately had become. You are not untouchable.
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dulcecita Lures View Post
......... Once they're established, drivers know which intersections have cameras and they slow down and stop instead of trying to beat the light. .
Isn't that what you're supposed to do even if there is no camera?
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:20 PM
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Red light cameras? What's next? Your new car is already set up to notify the thought police of your every violation..speeding, seat belt misuse, reckless driving, even failure to signal for turns properly or turn your headlights on in the rain. Is this what YOU really want, seacat?

Dear Mr. Seacat: Enclosed please find numerous tickets for the date of July 22, 2011. It appears that your vehicle exceeded the speed limit on SR 520 for distances of 75', 450', and 23'. Also, upon arriving at the US1 exit, you failed to indicate your turn in a timely manner, turning on your turn indicator 15' too close to the exit.

Please remit $732.50 by 7/23/2011, or we will electronically deactivate your vehicle, lock you inside, and set the temperature control to 110 degrees.

While I don't condone running red lights, I really despise government intrusion into our private lives. The sheeple of the world say "what do you have to hide"?, as if THEY have the right to be judge, jury, and executioner of their fellow man.
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People who run red lights are a hazzard to other motorists and passengers. If people didn't run red lights, there would be no need for enforcement.

Now the choice is - cameras or live LEOs. As a taxpayer, do you really want to fund enough additional LEOs to watch all the intersections where red light running is a safety issue?

I would hope not. Cameras are a more efficient use of resources and taxpayer money.
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Originally Posted by rwidman View Post
People who run red lights are a hazzard to other motorists and passengers. If people didn't run red lights, there would be no need for enforcement.

Now the choice is - cameras or live LEOs. As a taxpayer, do you really want to fund enough additional LEOs to watch all the intersections where red light running is a safety issue?

I would hope not. Cameras are a more efficient use of resources and taxpayer money.
I bet you drive in the left lane on interstates at exactly the speed limit.

I am not in favor of running red lights but a yellow light tells me to floor it.
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Old 06-07-2011, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PROFINITY View Post
I don't speed. I obey the law. I have not had a ticket of any kind in years. I have no points on my DL.

This traffic camera crap is just that, crap. It is another form of taxation. Those who like this sort of thing are likely sucking off the taxpayers tit or a family member or friend is doing so.

I am aware of license plate scanners and believe they have a place, however, also believe they may be used as harassment. The reality for me is that I have known many police officers, some good and some bad people. These automated devices appear to breed complacency and laziness instead of good police work.

Regarding the request for a jury trial concerning these type of matters, this is a great idea if the court allowed for a jury trial for such a matter. I'm not sure the accused would be granted a jury trial in this instance. The reality is, the accused would need to hire representation. For many people this is a financial burden they can not afford. This in itself is a form of discrimination and to the average citizen an unfair and unbalanced society. Jefferson and the others who wrote our laws did NOT intend for the Justice system to operate in the manner it does today. They had a term for it and it is called tyranny. Any of you ever hear, "Better to let 10 guilty men go free than convict a single innocent man"? WTF happened to the presumption of innocence? Some of you are like the Gestapo. Just remember what their fate ultimately had become. You are not untouchable.
Just don't run red lights. Slow down a liitle. Be prepared to stop. Problem solved. No ticket.
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Red light cameras? What's next? Your new car is already set up to notify the thought police of your every violation..speeding, seat belt misuse, reckless driving, even failure to signal for turns properly or turn your headlights on in the rain. Is this what YOU really want, seacat?

Dear Mr. Seacat: Enclosed please find numerous tickets for the date of July 22, 2011. It appears that your vehicle exceeded the speed limit on SR 520 for distances of 75', 450', and 23'. Also, upon arriving at the US1 exit, you failed to indicate your turn in a timely manner, turning on your turn indicator 15' too close to the exit.

Please remit $732.50 by 7/23/2011, or we will electronically deactivate your vehicle, lock you inside, and set the temperature control to 110 degrees.

While I don't condone running red lights, I really despise government intrusion into our private lives. The sheeple of the world say "what do you have to hide"?, as if THEY have the right to be judge, jury, and executioner of their fellow man.
Making quite a leap there aren't we?

A red light camera on a pole operated by my City has nothing at all in common with an onboard monitoring system.

What do you have to hide when it comes to running a red light? It is a public act on a public right of way in plain view of everyone. You have no expectation of privacy at all in that situation.

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Old 06-07-2011, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
Make no difference to me who is driving. Unless the car has been reported as stolen to the police the owner is responsible for it.
Not true. You are not responsible for your car's "photographed" infractions. These are all getting dismissed on the basis that it cannot be proven who committed the offense.

Camera's are being removed and taken off line as we speak here in Naples.
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Seacat- No. I rather ride around with my buddies who are in law enforcement and disregard the law just as they do and when I get pulled over they just show their badge and on we go.

This kind of stuff reminds me of a time when a buddy of mine when I was young, around 19, was behind a police officer in his cruiser at a red light. The officer went through the light whilst everyone else had to stay put. There did not appear to be an emergency by the way. My buddy said, F THAT and drove through the red light also. He was pulled over by a very angry officer who chewed his ass and asked him why he went through the light. My buddy said, "Officer, when I saw you go through the light I figured since you did not have any lights or sirens going that the light must have turned green. I figured you of all people would never break the law". The officer just turned away and hopped in his car and sped away.

Can you say TYRANNY?
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post

A red light camera on a pole owned and maintained by my City .........
..............it is blatantly apparent that you know little to nothing about the subject matter of this thread.
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