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Old 06-07-2011, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PROFINITY View Post
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1. Thelma says you're a dumbass!

2. No road head. Pay attention.

3. How can this method of ticketing be legitimate when there is no evidence of who is driving the vehicle?
Doesn't matter. The state knows who owns the vehicle. That is good enough.

Same as Code Enforcement on a house.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:55 AM
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I don't run red lights. Have never been ticketed. I am over 50.

I do know that corruption exists in the companies that manage, control and profit from the system. Just ask WPB.

The Constitution is there to protect you FROM government.

The system is a scam.
I know all about the Constitution.

Show me the part that says you have the right not to be photographed breaking the law in a public place.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:56 AM
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Got one in a rental car in Atlanta. Was in bumper to bumper traffic behind a row of tour buses. By the time I could see the light it was yellow - I was probably going 6 mph in the intersection when the camera went off.

Rental car company was kind enough to go ahead and pay the ticket for me, then demand compensation for it. #@(%*^
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Originally Posted by Afishinado View Post
Appreciated, appropriate, anticipated remark from one of the top azzholes on this site... I never said I had the right to run a light, I wasn't complaining, I deserve the ticket. I should have been paying closer attention and slammed on my brakes and stopped. I was just curious to see if they were acivated. Now you can go back to your kiddie porn site and play with yourself some more.
Not as big an asshole as those in this thread who feel entitled to run red lights with impunity.
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:02 AM
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We used to have them in Charlotte. I got a ticket because I was following one of my dumbazz friends to a place I had no idea where it was. Of course he hit the gas and went through the yellow light and therefore it turned red on me. The picture quality was pretty amazing and didn't leave much to argue. I paid the $50 and it was done. Shortly after that they ruled that the cameras were not legal for trafic enforcement and they were turned off. Several are still sitting at intersections collecting dust or maybe Big Brother is using them to spy on the public. Either way they don't take pictures that generate $50 fines.
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:03 AM
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Seacat this link is for you. http://blog.motorists.org/red-light-...that-prove-it/
It is a scam to bring in revenues. I am very uncomfortable with any law enforcement that relies on a private company paying for the enforcement equipment for a cut of the fines generated by the equipment.
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Seacat this link is for you. http://blog.motorists.org/red-light-...that-prove-it/
It is a scam to bring in revenues. I am very uncomfortable with any law enforcement that relies on a private company paying for the enforcement equipment for a cut of the fines generated by the equipment.
No it is a legal an effective law enforcement tool that has cut collisions here locally.

If you don't run red lights you won't have a problem.

Judge rejects challenge of red-light camerasMay 25, 2011|By Dan Tracy, Orlando SentinelAn Orange County judge Wednesday dismissed a suit claiming that the red-light cameras operating throughout Metro Orlando and the state are unconstitutional.
Judge Jerry Brewer, who last week listened to arguments against the state law approving the cameras, wrote in a three-page ruling that "there is no need to address the merits of the instant motion because it is both procedurally and facially insufficient."
The suit was brought by Orlando attorney Robert Azcano of the Traffic Clinic on behalf of two clients who were mailed tickets for running red lights monitored by cameras. He declined comment.
Mike Rhodes, who oversees Orlando's camera program, said the ruling is significant because the claims rejected by Brewer likely will be made again next month by several other attorneys fighting tickets before several Orange County judges. They will be heard together because of their similarities.
"I think it sets the stage for a pretty positive result," Rhodes said. "It certainly is a good sign."


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-light-cameras
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Locally the camera gets a pic of the driver and the rear plate. One of my vans sped thru one and the glare on the windshield prevented id of the driver. As the owner of the van, I got the ticket in the mail. I went to their kangaroo hearing to say that I wasn't driving and they said it didn't matter. I've been waiting for it to show up on my credit report. I recently applied for another credit card with the main intent to see if I got denied because of it. If so, I planned to sue them, but I got the card in the mail in just a few days.
I hate them. If it was for safety I'd be behind them all the way. It's just for the money and nothing else.
Last year an unhappy driver saw the flash from the van on the side of the road. He was REALLY pissed. He turned around and used his pickup to ram and push the van down the hill on the side of the road. Surprisingly, he only had to pay damages.
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SeaCat- Can I borrow your car?

On a more serious note, I am going to seek the development of a coating, NOT a shield mind you, but a coating that is otherwise invisible to the naked eye and prevents the license plate to be visible in a photograph. For a little extra $ you can have it read:

&^%$ YOU!

KISSMY@SS

FAIL

NICE TRY

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SeaCat- Can I borrow your car?

On a more serious note, I am going to seek the development of a coating, NOT a shield mind you, but a coating that is otherwise invisible to the naked eye and prevents the license plate to be visible in a photograph.
www.phantomplate.com
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Mike- YEAH BABY!

Although I prefer a personalized message to express my warm and charming personality.

How about we organize a rally and have at least 1000 people drive through red lights, in a safe manner of course and we all smile for the camera. Civil disobedience is appropriate here.

I sure hope these cameras don't cause someone an accident and causation for a lawsuit.

Can you say BB gun?
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
I know all about the Constitution.

Show me the part that says you have the right not to be photographed breaking the law in a public place.
You have a right to confront your accuser. That is just a start. I can give you more law on this than you could read in 2 months.
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Its $158 here in Miami for each incident, no points on your license but I think you can't register your vehicle the next year without paying them off. Owner of the car gets the bill, BTW. The City has wised up and placed cameras in as many corners as possible with many other municipalities joining in once the State gave them the official Okee Dokee (and got a cut from each of the municipalitie's take).

Its been said that if the traffic signals were timed in a way that the red light was held a few seconds before the opposing green one went on, we'd have the same effect of reducing red light casualties. Unfortunatly the Gov't wouldn't get any money that way.
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Originally Posted by PROFINITY View Post
Mike- YEAH BABY!

Although I prefer a personalized message to express my warm and charming personality.

How about we organize a rally and have at least 1000 people drive through red lights, in a safe manner of course and we all smile for the camera. Civil disobedience is appropriate here.

I sure hope these cameras don't cause someone an accident and causation for a lawsuit.

Can you say BB gun?

If everyone demanded a jury trial on every ticket that would put a crunch on the money making scheme.
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Old 06-07-2011, 09:49 AM
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Just think of all the crime we would be enduring if security cameras had been taken down as being unfair to the unknowing participants
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Originally Posted by PROFINITY View Post

How about we organize a rally and have at least 1000 people drive through red lights, in a safe manner of course and we all smile for the camera. Civil disobedience is appropriate here.
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If everyone demanded a jury trial on every ticket that would put a crunch on the money making scheme.
And if convicted ask for community service or jail time in lieu of a fine.

The government and its agents can repeat until they are blue in the face that it is not about money but about safety but when enforcement starts costing them money they will quietly change course or new representation will be elected to make the appropriate changes.
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Old 06-07-2011, 10:18 AM
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That is true, the cameras are run by private companies who get a cut of every ticket. The problem here in Florida is that they only take a pic of your plate, not the driver. When they send you the ticket, you can sign a affidavit saying you were not the driver. Unfortunately, in FL if you do not pay the ticket, the municipal citation becomes a state citation with a regular red light fine. ($263 + points) Here is the good news, (at least in south FL) if you fight the ticket in court, most traffic magistrates are dismissing them, because the burden of proof is still on the state to prove that you are driving, and there is nobody to testify on behalf of the state that you were driving, and in court, you certainly have the right to not self incriminate, and have your due process. (there are some advantages to living in liberal Broward County)

Now, I certainly don't condone running red lights, and if there is an officer there to write a ticket, I'm all for it. But this proliferation of big brother is getting out of hand. Would people feel the same if there were speed cameras every 5 miles from Ft. Laud to Orlando writing tickets for those who go 5 mph over the speed limit? How about if there were cameras on the light pole in front of your house that recorded your illegal lawn watering during these water restrictions. Sure, if a real person came by and observed the violation and issued a citation, I have no issues, but like I said, enough with the big brother already.

Red light cameras are about money not safety.
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Originally Posted by jrolin1 View Post
Seacat this link is for you. http://blog.motorists.org/red-light-...that-prove-it/
It is a scam to bring in revenues. I am very uncomfortable with any law enforcement that relies on a private company paying for the enforcement equipment for a cut of the fines generated by the equipment.
Just so you know, its not the law enforcement agencies that are having the cameras put up, its the city commission. Law enforcement is just tasked with reviewing the pictures and determining if there was a violation.
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Just so you know, its not the law enforcement agencies that are having the cameras put up, its the city commission. Law enforcement is just tasked with reviewing the pictures and determining if there was a violation.
Yep. I don't blame the LEOs. In SC the House approved banning speed cameras and hopefully it will be approved by the senate and gov. One small town (Ridgeland) had them set up on I-95 to raise funds and split the proceeds with the company that provided the equipment. Enforcing the law should not be a money making opportunity for a business or town.
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So you run a redlight, endangering others, get flashed by the camera and plead the victim?....I hope you get 2 tickets, one for running the light and the other for being an idiot....
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