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Old 06-15-2011, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by billinstuart View Post
My problem with the cameras is that 100% of the funds do NOT got to the municipality. These things are simply electronic bounty hunters, with some scumbag company keeping a large share of the "profits". Even Radar speed traps are manned by a real cop. If they were REALLY all about safety, the manufacturers wouldn't skim off sooo much money.

A slimey business.

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Red light cameras are much cheaper than hiring more regular officers and very effective.
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Old 06-15-2011, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SirFer View Post
Was wondering the same thing... I'll be sure to avoid East Central Florida because where I come from running red lights is definitely not an every day occurrence. More like once or twice a month, and they're "pink" lights as I like to say, not fully red, just people attempting to stretch yellow lights and failing. I think I've only seen someone blow through a legitimate red light and risk getting hit or hitting traffic whose light had already turned green twice, ever. No cameras here either, and very few light runners. Maybe there's something to the theory that the cameras encourage people to run lights, or maybe SeaCat FL's hometown is just chock full of "criminals."
Full of red light runners like every other area of Florida.

If nobody runs red lights in your area why are you concerned about the installation of cameras? Seems like there would be nobody to catch
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Old 06-15-2011, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SirFer View Post
Was wondering the same thing... I'll be sure to avoid East Central Florida because where I come from running red lights is definitely not an every day occurrence. More like once or twice a month, and they're "pink" lights as I like to say, not fully red, just people attempting to stretch yellow lights and failing. I think I've only seen someone blow through a legitimate red light and risk getting hit or hitting traffic whose light had already turned green twice, ever. No cameras here either, and very few light runners. Maybe there's something to the theory that the cameras encourage people to run lights, or maybe SeaCat FL's hometown is just chock full of "criminals."

Looks like Sarasota has its own red light problems:

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Addressing details now will make Sarasota's program more effective



Published: Thursday, October 21, 2010 at 1:00 a.m.


Sarasota city commissioners were right when they said this week that something must be done to stop red-light running. The practice has become as common as it is dangerous.
Commissioners voted on first reading to pursue the installation of red-light cameras at the city's riskiest intersections. The cameras would catch signal violators, who would then be fined $158, an amount set by the Legislature.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...INION/10211061
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Old 06-15-2011, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
Full of red light runners like every other area of Florida.

If nobody runs red lights in your area why are you concerned about the installation of cameras? Seems like there would be nobody to catch
You make this too much fun. When did I ever say I was concerned about it? I don't run lights, I won't ever have to pay for a ticket handed out by a camera. I don't think that the camera companies should be getting a cut, but it probably won't ever affect me, so I'm not losing sleep over it.

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Looks like Sarasota has its own red light problems:

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Red-light camera close-up

Addressing details now will make Sarasota's program more effective



Published: Thursday, October 21, 2010 at 1:00 a.m.


Sarasota city commissioners were right when they said this week that something must be done to stop red-light running. The practice has become as common as it is dangerous.
Commissioners voted on first reading to pursue the installation of red-light cameras at the city's riskiest intersections. The cameras would catch signal violators, who would then be fined $158, an amount set by the Legislature.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...INION/10211061
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I drive 40 miles a day and don't see tons of light runners so my opinion is that the author's opinion is misguided. The only intersection around here that I would support having a camera at doesn't have a light, it just has a stop sign, and it's definitely in need of a light and either a camera or an LEO sitting there full time. Other than that, I don't see the need.
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Old 06-16-2011, 04:53 AM
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I say throw the baby out with the bath water. We should hunt all those damned red light runners down like rabid dogs. Spare no expense. Hire mercenaries, bounty hunters and assassins. Let ATF suspend rules on automatic weapons just for "red light runners." Those mowed down in the crossfire are just necessary to get the job done. The cost of doing business if you will.
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Old 06-16-2011, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SirFer View Post

I drive 40 miles a day and don't see tons of light runners so my opinion is that the author's opinion is misguided. The only intersection around here that I would support having a camera at doesn't have a light, it just has a stop sign, and it's definitely in need of a light and either a camera or an LEO sitting there full time. Other than that, I don't see the need.
So you do support the use of red light cameras.
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Old 06-17-2011, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Eyeball View Post
Careful with what you wish for... There are now considerations of using radar activated traffic cams in the USA for speeding tickets to be issued by mail. Fwiw, such radar cameras are scattered all over Japan. Costs about $700 to resolve a radar+camera speeding ticket.

The cameras are fixed so every in-car navigator has icons locating the speeding cameras. Better navigators have audio and visual warnings that you are driving too fast and approaching a radar+camera.
They have those in SC. But not for much longer! Ridgeland has been known for decades as a speed trap town. They took it up a notch with speed cameras and tickets in the mail. The company's name is iTraffic that provided the equipment. They can claim it was about safety all they want. It was about revenue in that town.
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Old 06-17-2011, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
(b.) One hundred fifty-eight dollars for a violation of s. 316.074(1) or s. 316.075(1)(c)1. when a driver has failed to stop at a traffic signal if enforcement is by a county or municipal traffic infraction enforcement officer. Seventy dollars shall be remitted ...

Your comment is irrelevant to the discussion -- it applies to when a cop writes a ticket -- not a red light camera ticket.

What Bill was talking about is a red light camera ticket ... and the fact that ALL of the revenue from those tickets does not flow to the city.

Red light cameras are not for sale, and cities don't want the responsibility of owning them.* They are for rent -- and that rent is around $6000.00/month ($72,000.00/year!!!). How many 'paid' red light runner tickets (note: legally, not all red light runner camera tickets are paid**) how many paid red light runner tickets must each camera generate before the city just breaks even! We aren't even talking about seeing any revenue, yet.

Only AFTER that $6000.00/month rent is satisfied can a municipality begin to see any revenue generation of a red light camera. How much the city makes is also determined by the contract with the camera's owner -- rent plus a given percentage of the each ticket.


* More about cities not owning the red light cameras -- a high court in California has ruled that folks challenging red light cameras in court must (as in "has the right" to) face 2 people -- one is the cop that reviews the photos and reasonably determines the pix are likely to prevail against a challenge in court -- and the other person is a technician that works for the company that owns the camera and can testify with technical detail as to the credibility and accuracy of the specific red light ticket camera being challenged.

** About 3 or 4 years ago, California cities estimated about 1/3 of their red light camera tickets could survive challenges in courts. 2/3 of the tickets would be tossed out by the court because either the driver's face or the license plate pic was not clear enough to introduce as evidence.
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Old 06-17-2011, 12:24 PM
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This may be a good place to interject that most municipalities are selling off any revenue streams or anything of value to meet current bills. This is widespread and growing. The privatization of sovereign assets continues daily and coming to a town near you.
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Old 06-17-2011, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by aln View Post
This may be a good place to interject that most municipalities are selling off any revenue streams or anything of value to meet current bills. This is widespread and growing. The privatization of sovereign assets continues daily and coming to a town near you.
We sold our state capital building. Yup. Now we lease it back from the owner! Go figure.

I wish I would of bought it because when they (our legislature) inevitably piss me off, I could down there and evict all their happy asses and throw the bums out on the street!!!!
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Originally Posted by Dulcecita Lures View Post
We sold our state capital building. Yup. Now we lease it back from the owner! Go figure.

I wish I would of bought it because when they (our legislature) inevitably piss me off, I could down there and evict all their happy asses and throw the bums out on the street!!!!

Several years ago (before the internet) there was a news story about some guy that showed up at the county courthouse with a 99-year lease his great-grandfather signed, and the appropriate legal documents showing the land Dallas was built on (I think it was Dallas) was actually his family's land. The lease had expired a year or two before. The guy was demanding either the whole city of Dallas could either start paying him rent or everyone had to get out of Dallas.

Not sure how it ended, Dallas is still there...and nobody left.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:09 PM
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I was in one of two left turn lanes. The light was red for left turns but green for going straight. I changed my mind and pulled to the right and went straight. I saw the flashes as the camera photographed my plate.

In this case, I didn't run the red light. The light was green for straight and I went straight but my truck must have breached the area for the left turn lane.

It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.

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Old 06-23-2011, 03:44 AM
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Guilty! Off with your head. One of the reasons I don't like them and I am glad that the law was just passed in SC that a LEO has to give you a ticket if you earned one. It can not be mailed to you.
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Originally Posted by TipsyMcStagger View Post
I was in one of two left turn lanes. The light was red for left turns but green for going straight. I changed my mind and pulled to the right and went straight. I saw the flashes as the camera photographed my plate.

In this case, I didn't run the red light. The light was green for straight and I went straight but my truck must have breached the area for the left turn lane.

It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.

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Improper lane change, but that's certainly not enforceable by photo.
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Originally Posted by Crabpot Man View Post
Improper lane change, but that's certainly not enforceable by photo.
How is it an improper lane change? I used my turn signal (switched from left signal to right signal).

I guess I'm missing something

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Originally Posted by TipsyMcStagger View Post
How is it an improper lane change? I used my turn signal (switched from left signal to right signal).

I guess I'm missing something

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Was the lane marking you crossed a solid white line?
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Old 06-23-2011, 05:10 PM
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I'm curious about this: if you are in a left turn only lane, and turning left, can you be ticketed for not signaling for the left turn?
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I'm curious about this: if you are in a left turn only lane, and turning left, can you be ticketed for not signaling for the left turn?
Quick Google says yes, in Texas.

http://www.texashighwayman.com/laws.shtml#TurnSig

But, I have seen some lawyer's sites say that in many states turn signals are only required when the turn may affect other traffic.
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