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Old 12-07-2004, 09:33 AM
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Looks like I might have to buy a Honda Accord leather 4-door V-6. List price seems to be just over $27,000.00. On a straight sale, does anyone have an idea of % discount? Are these cars worth their (very)high prices?
Old 12-07-2004, 10:42 AM
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Can't speak to the newer models, but we have owned 4 Accords, first bought in 1982, last a 1996. They were great cars, and held their value pretty well also. I can only assume that they still make a good product.
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We have owned 9 Hondas in 20 years. My wife gets a new one every two years. Right now she has a 2004 Accord Coupe V6 with the 6 speed gear box. She really likes it. We have owned Civics and a Prelude as well. Great cars, low cost of ownership, reliable, safe. and killer resale.

I think you should call Sanford Honda and ask for Phil McKinney. Tell him Steve Stephens gave you his contact info. Phil will do you right. That price sounds a little on the high side.
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Thanks for the referral. $27,300.00 or so is list price. Can I get 15% off list?
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Edmunds is showing dealer cost on that model at about 24,500 including destination charges.

if you are a credit union member check with their car locator service. I would think with a high production model as the Accord you should be able to get close to that 24,500 price tag.
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Go through the internet sales department at your dealer. Go to edmunds and check dealer cost, add all the options that you want at dealer cost. Most car companies get 2.75% dealer holdback so that is where u do your dealing. Try and split the cost with them. If cost on the vehicle is $24,500 then offer them $24,164. You can also ask for the invoice on the car that you want then deal on the 2.75% holdback of the dealer cost. That is what I do when purchasing a new car.
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bloodknot - 12/7/2004 12:18 PM

You can also ask for the invoice on the car that you want then deal on the 2.75% holdback of the dealer cost. That is what I do when purchasing a new car.
Or you could just insist that the dealer is not entitled to any profit (let alone paying a salesperson's commission) while at the same time expecting him to have the latest, very expensive computerized diagnostic tools, the best trained mechanics, a big inventory of cars to choose from (that he has to pay floorplan interest on) and a massive parts inventory so you never have to wait for an ordered part, all of which costs money, but who cares, that's not your problem. God forbid that a dealer should make any more profit on a $27,000 vehicle than a jeweler makes on a $500 ring. The holdback on a Honda, by the way, is 3% of the base M.S.R.P. before options and freight and, IMHO, the consumer is not entitled to any of it.

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1991 Honda Accord

13 years of abusive island conditions and still purring like a kitten

honda fan for life

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I usually like to check out www.carsdirect.com to get an idea of what a dealer is willing to do, right off the bat. In this case, it looks like your car, does have an MSRP of $27k, with an invoice of $24.5k and a Carsdirect.com price of $24.3k. You may be able to even do a little better if you are good!

As far as the comment goes regarding the dealer holdback and how it is not the customer's right to get any of that, blah, blah, blah...

Remember, no matter how hard you deal, and how great a deal you get and how much the dealer says your really screwing him, he is still making what that dealership considers an adequate amount of profit on that car. Otherwise, they wouldn't sell it to you at that price. Bottom line, no questions.

My 2 cents (really worth about 1.9725 cents, including dealer hold back).

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it all depends on the model.

i was in the market for a midsize pickup for mostly recreational use. 2 choices: 2005 tacoma crew cab, 2005 explorer sporttrac. for the exact models i specified out, msrp was within 200 dollars at about 29,600. i wont go into how horrible one dealer was in dealing and how great the other was.... i'll just say this:

cost for both was about 27,300. no rebate on the toyota $2000 on the sporttrac.


the toyota dealer wanted 30,000 for the car (above msrp).
the ford dealer sold me the sport trac willingly for cost (he made the holdback).
my net was 25300 plus tax and tags.

depends on the local supply and demand of the vehicle where you are. another example: try buying a Land Rover LR3 right now...i bet you pay sticker.

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I've bought two Accords for the Misses, best commuter cars I've every bought. period. And when the time comes, it will be Honda number three.
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Lightnup - God forbid that a dealer should make any more profit on a $27,000 vehicle than a jeweler makes on a $500 ring. The holdback on a Honda, by the way, is 3% of the base M.S.R.P. before options and freight and, IMHO, the consumer is not entitled to any of it.


Hmm...me thinks Lightnup should lighten up. Steve, are you in the auto sales business?
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Lightnup - God forbid that a dealer should make any more profit on a $27,000 vehicle than a jeweler makes on a $500 ring. The holdback on a Honda, by the way, is 3% of the base M.S.R.P. before options and freight and, IMHO, the consumer is not entitled to any of it.


Hmm...me thinks Lightnup should lighten up. Steve, are you in the auto sales business?
I was in a previous life. It's just always irked me that people will think nothing of dropping $2 grand on a skiing trip but then yammer about being ripped-off if a dealer attempts to make more than a couple hundred dollars profit on a $40,000 or $50,000 vehicle. In my experience (high line sales only - Jag, BMW, Land Rover & Saab) the buyers who most complain about dealers playing games are the one who most like to play the games. The "give me your bottom line" guy who then wants to spend an afternoon negotiating from that point always amused me.

Oh well, it'll never change so I don't know why I bother throwing my opinion out there.

Steve
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Have a 99 honda accord love it , just bought a 04 Pilot. If it was me, I would get the pilot. The accord is great but for 3 grand more(30,000) you can get a pilot fully loaded and you will not believe the room in the pilots.
We have the pilot for a couple of months and I still get in it and say it is very deceiving how much room they have, plus I think they can tow up to 3500 lbs, so hey you could tow a small boat or trailer with it.

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i once saw somewhere, and i really can't remember where , how, or when, that for all but the most sought after vehicles, that if you subtract $1,000 and multiply what is left by .80, offer them that much and be prepared to walk away, that you can usually do the deal, that any counteroffer they will make is a more reasonable asking price than the original.......the thousand bucks is a "sucker factor" thrown on top, and 80 per cent of what's left usually leaves the dealer a profit margin they can live with...this is probably outdated advice,it could be that the $20,800 is now considered too low, but there are plenty of cars in this world, so it couldn't hurt to try.......cars that come "loaded" are much higher margin items, so it may not be that far off....


good luck, my wife and sisters have hondas and they love them.....very reliable
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bellsisland...agree with you, the Pilot is a better buy, the Accord is for the Admiral, and she wants an Accord. We travel and tow with a 4x4 Chevy truck.

dogboy...I would be happy to buy an Accord today based on a 20% plus or minus $1,000.00. Problem is dealers are asking $24,000.00 for USED Accords. I am used to getting a $6,000-$9,000 discount on Z-71's.

"You want a discount on your (pick one) Honda, Grady White, Parker?"
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asking is one thing, getting is another........i am casually (very casually) shopping for a used (very used) pick up.....telling them straight up that i am not buying anything today, they have gone from $12,500 to $9000 just by my telling them i was really looking for something around $6,000.........there was obviously some wiggle room there, and the thing was priced too high hoping a live one would come along.......you ain't gonna get it if you don't ask.....
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As Honda is not the brand I work on I can't say alot for sure but
talking to tech's of most brands, the word as I get it is that Honda, and Toyota
are neck and neck as to who makes the best product, over all.
get the price right, and I don't see how you could go wrong

P.S. You can try and talk a salesman down all you want, he doesn't have the final say as to how far
down the price will go, that's the sales managers job/ They won't lose money on the deal/ that's what
they do for a liveing
Good Luck and enjoy your new car
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I own the same model, and it is worth every penny of its purchase price. However, Honda is introducing a V-6 Accord with an electric motor assist (255 hp instead of 240 hp) plus a computer that shuts down 3 cylinders at highway speeds. How does 38 mpg sound, without any reduction in performance?

Don't know the pricing on this new puppy, but I drive 40,000 miles a year, so this is something I am going to seriously consider.
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1995 Honda EX V6 ...190,000 and going strong..... only maintenance has been a water pump, two timing belts, tires and oil changes.... and a fan motor. Oh... the electric antenna doesnt work... big freaking deal.

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