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Old 04-25-2011, 06:53 PM
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Default Main basement sump pump

Our house is ~20 years old and has a basement sump pit. After a failure of the sump pump 5 years ago (and basement flooding) I replaced the main pump and installed a backup pump with AC/DC power.

We have had a record rain fall this month and the main pump failed a couple of times (thanks for the alarm on the backup). The main pump works fine but the float sensor (vertical float) is not sending a signal to the pump in a reliable manner. Pulling the pump from the pit and playing with the float eventually gets it work for several days.

Are there any simple fixes other than replacing the float sensor or sump pump?

TIA for your advice and suggestions.
Old 04-25-2011, 07:20 PM
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Because of the importance of this pump, I would ditch that old float switch, and buy a new one of the sealed (mercury swicth?) type. It works based on the tilt angle of the switch. It 'pivots' on the connecting wire; hanging down when the crock is empty, and tilting up as the water level rises. I have had good luck with these switches.
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just replace it. ive always changed sump pumps every six or so years. their life span isnt much past that so your getting close anyways. not worth the trouble if it fails on you for other reasons and you have a basement full of water with an insurance cap, if you have a policy that covers it at all.
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We live on rock and our sump runs constantly when it's been raining like this. We have a main pump, and back up pump that is the same as the main pump only mounted up higher. We have been flooded 5 times in 25 years, twice because of pump failure, the rest because of power outages. Because of the power outages we now have a whole house generator w/ automatic transfer switch.

I replace both the main and the back up pump every 3 years no matter if they are running fine or not. My downstairs is not like a basement, it's just part of the house and I am not going through another stinky wet carpet and padding removal again.

I was just talking to my wife about this today because the water is pouring in and my upper pump doesn't look like it's working. It's humming so I know it has power to it, but just not pumping. My wife said next month will be our 3 years with these two pumps. I already called the plumber to replace both of them. I keep 2
spares around the house all the time and give the rest of them away for free.

We had the battery back up but it couldn't possibly keep up with the amount of water we have coming in when it rains hard.

Just to important to take any chances.

Russ

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Had the same problem, Home Depot now offers a lifetime warranty on a sump pump. Of course it is 50% more expensive than the others but it is worth it. Having a second pump on hand at all times is a no brainer!
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I vote for the tilt switch as opposed to the float. We had sumps in all our crap sinks at work to pipe the water to the evaporator. The mercury tilt switches was the only long term reliable solution.
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I am not a fan of the swing type float, including the fact that they take up a lot of room to operate and can easily get stuck.

You guys convinced me to buy a new sum pump (clean up the old one and keep it as an emergency spare).

I am looking at either a Zoeller or Wayne 1/2 hp with vertical float. Any comments on either of these brands?
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I used two of these, one a bit higher then the other.
Then wired the pump so it would get juice from either one just incase the first one failed to activate.
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We had one of those crappy sump pumps in our
sump when we bought the house, it failed 3 months after
we moved in. My friend and I re piped the whole system with
2 1/2 PVC , check valve, float switch and the best part was a 1hp little Giant
sewage ejector pump! This kicked a** for 15 years! When it died it was 2 clamps to remove the
pipe from the check valve and lift the old unit out, unscrew pie, install pipe in new pump drop in sump tighten clamps and go! One of these days I'll get the generator auto back up system but for now I have an inverter in the truck I'll plug the pump into in case of power outages that aren't common or long
in our area!
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Originally Posted by osudaddy View Post
I am not a fan of the swing type float, including the fact that they take up a lot of room to operate and can easily get stuck.

You guys convinced me to buy a new sum pump (clean up the old one and keep it as an emergency spare).

I am looking at either a Zoeller or Wayne 1/2 hp with vertical float. Any comments on either of these brands?
Zoeller makes great tough pumps.
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Originally Posted by jrolin1 View Post
Zoeller makes great tough pumps.
Yeah, after reading on line reviews of their pumps I came to the same conclusion and pulled the trigger today on their M57.

I will replace the float switch on the old sump pump and keep it as a reserve pump.

Thanks to all for your comments and recommendations.
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I use zoeller pumps on all my rail systems and have yet to have a replacement failure
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Originally Posted by RussH View Post
We live on rock and our sump runs constantly when it's been raining like this. We have a main pump, and back up pump that is the same as the main pump only mounted up higher. We have been flooded 5 times in 25 years, twice because of pump failure, the rest because of power outages. Because of the power outages we now have a whole house generator w/ automatic transfer switch.

I replace both the main and the back up pump every 3 years no matter if they are running fine or not. My downstairs is not like a basement, it's just part of the house and I am not going through another stinky wet carpet and padding removal again.

I was just talking to my wife about this today because the water is pouring in and my upper pump doesn't look like it's working. It's humming so I know it has power to it, but just not pumping. My wife said next month will be our 3 years with these two pumps. I already called the plumber to replace both of them. I keep 2
spares around the house all the time and give the rest of them away for free.

We had the battery back up but it couldn't possibly keep up with the amount of water we have coming in when it rains hard.

Just to important to take any chances.

Russ

Rus
Russ, which pump manufacturer do you use in this setup that allows for this type of packaging and which type of float is utilized in your pumps.

Is your sump crock standard size - diameter at bottom.

I am interested in this installation for piece of mind. But am concerned the floats may get tangled - the type I have.

Thanks

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