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Old 04-25-2011, 06:13 AM
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http://www.click2houston.com/video/27458700/index.html


Very Dramatic video. Unfortunately this Sgt. waited too long before engaging this subject. I have been in the EXACT same situation and my partner and I engaged the subject before he got the gun (an SKS) leveled at us but he had dropped his shoulder and was starting to bring it up... You can see the subject start to baricade himself, that situation is going South quickly... The Sgt. apparently lost sight in one eye but will recover...
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I am assuming that it is fine/bird shot since he only lost his sight, do they issue/encourage the use of ballistic eye protection?
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Does seem like he should have engaged the threat a little sooner.
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Question-when the shooter raised his gun why did the officer continue to attempt to talk him out of it? I would figure raising the gun was sufficient grounds to open fire.
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I wonder why they alllowed the guy to sit there with a weapon pointed at them for so long.
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Originally Posted by Tireless View Post
I wonder why they alllowed the guy to sit there with a weapon pointed at them for so long.
It could have been they were concerned about area behind the shooter and they didn't have their own shotguns deployed.

Hard to say.
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Yea, Isn't the rule of thumb - if they point it at ya - shoot? This officer went way beyond the call of duty trying to talk the a$$hole down. It wa shard to tell if he was behind his cruiser or had any cover at all...?
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I am surprised that they waited that long after he refused to drop the weapon. Too long. He had it leveled at the officer.
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Originally Posted by cedarholm View Post
It could have been they were concerned about area behind the shooter and they didn't have their own shotguns deployed.

Hard to say.
excellent point
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Despite the training, many officers hesitate when faced with a situation like this.

If I was in in bakery when the shooter was, I'd like to think he would not have made it outside.
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I did see one the back up officers with a rifle, maybe the Sgt. did not have one and it is possible he was more concerned with the backdrop. Hard to tell...Just posting it for everyone that has a CCW to see some actual situations and descisions that sometimes that have to made quickly
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This day and age he was probably trying to determine the legal ramifications of punching this dirt bags ticket before he shot, hence the delay. Stay safe out there!
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Originally Posted by two-rocks View Post
Despite the training, many officers hesitate when faced with a situation like this.

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interesting..

I recently read something where 30% of Gi's in firefights never fired a round and that figure has held through from WWII to Vietnam to the current wars. I personally only saw one rifleman out of 30 in my platoon not use his weapon. I can't imagine anyone not firing a weapon it in a second firefight or similar situation.
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There must have been people in the bakery behind the guy, otherwise there is just no explaination why the officer would allow a gun to be pointed at him for sooo long!

This officer must have ben concerned about where HIS shot would go if he missed or after it passed thru the criminal.

What a tough situation to be in.
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With due respect Ken,

Sometimes it just takes a while for the officer to finaly make that decision. It's tough to make and if you haven't contemplated it before hand, I mean seriously contemplated it before hand, sometimes it takes a while. No good officer is itching to shoot someone, there is a lot of baggage that goes with it. I try very hard not to second guess or judge an officer faced with that decision. I agree that a quicker shot would have saved some grief, but I wasn't the one standing there. This is why we have to TRAIN, TRAIN, and then TRAIN some more to get our officers reactions and decisions faster, more accurate and decisive.
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I take the video was taken via the cop car cam? Either way, there is NO video coverage of the cop that got shot (poor guy) and where he was positioned.

But I've got to seriously question the IQ of the cop that got shot.

The gunman just finished his nasty work inside the bakery and then points his gun at the officer while leaning against the brick piller. And then the gunman casually walks over the the rear of the car and comfortably positions him self for the shot. WTF

Either the cop is as dumb as a skid of bricks, he's got a death wish because life is to shitty or he's after drawing a penson? ;?

By the sounds of it, they both got what they were after.
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Originally Posted by Garett View Post
Either the cop is as dumb as a skid of bricks, he's got a death wish because life is to shitty or he's after drawing a penson? ;?

By the sounds of it, they both got what they were after.
You never cease to amaze. It does not sound like you have ever thought of or about another human being other than yourself ever, you sir are truely a sad individual..
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Cops in my town would have taken the guy out the second he became a threat. Zero hesitation.
The lawyers would have cleared any cop of killing an idiot as this.
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You can't look at a video and know what the cop saw or was thinking.

Endless hours on the range. He knows how to make his 1st shot count.

I did not watch the video because I can't stomach seeing the good guys get hurt.

Endless hours on the sport shooting range where most of got our training will never prepare you for reality.

I pray that not one of you ever has to make the decision to discharge a weapon at a real human being. We all make our violent jokes ( I am the biggest offender)--but, this man obviously paid a price doing a job that most of us could not hack.

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Garett, you're a ****ing idiot!

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