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Old 04-21-2011, 08:05 PM
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Don't know all the details yet but this is something that can really start a good conversation.
GF's daughters friend apparently got in a argument with two cops tonight at a fast fair and there was a scuffle. He took off towards his truck. Cops shot and killed him. He was unarmed. Don't know where they shot him but it was my understanding police never have the right to kill anyone unarmed for any reason.
I'm sure i"ll have more on it tomorrow but what I did hear was the cops said he was trying to rod the place and GF's daughter said there was no way in He!! this young man would do anything like that.
Wish I had more on it to share but wanted to see if any of you knew anything about it being legal for then to shot anyone unarmed. ?
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Police can shoot an unarmed person. If an Officer perceives that person to be armed and has a well founded fear that they can become seriously injured or killed as a result of that persons actions, deadly force can be used.

Example... Police tell you to remove your hands from your pockets. The subject does not comply and continues to keep their hands concealed. Overt, hostile physcial actions follow and the subject quickly removes a black object from their pocket in a threatening manner..bang bang goes the cop. It was a cell phone.

If there truly is a well founded fear backed by facts and circumstances that the subject was armed, could become armed, or was perceived as armed, the shoot would be considered good.
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I'd like to hear what Cracker says on this one.

I would think going for a gun or going for a 2000 pound Truck would be about the same.

If they let him get into his truck and run, bad things can happen to innocent people during the chase.
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Where did it happen? Greenville P.D. had a fatal shooting today after a robbery.
http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/B...120386174.html
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Wayyy to much speculation for even a comment on this...

I will tell you at my department an officer was fired after responding to a burglary in progress.. Offcier responds to 911 call from neighbor. Officer finds reported bad guy crawling out the window. Officer "stop, show me your hands" type of orders. Bad guy turns to run while reaching in his jacket and acts like he is getting a weapon and going to run towards another officer on perimeter on an opposite corner. Officer shot the guy in the back shoulder. Not life threatening

The owner of the house was in jail and later says it was one of his friends who was allowed to be in the house.

Officer was fired but was not prosecuted by the State Attorneys Office.



from above story

"Bartlett says officers were performing a high risk traffic stop, Wainwright was down on the ground and then got back up and lunged toward the door. Police say there was a gun inside the pickup truck. Bartlett says Corporal Scott Johnson then shot Wainwright."

If this is the basic incident sounds like it would be justified to me..ARMED ROBBER, resisting arrest, trying to get to vehicle where I guess they saw a gun... Like I said IF that is what happened. I dont trust newspaper articles too much, either way.

Liveaboard, sorry for your loss, prayers to your family and extended family..
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Sorry but until I hear proof to the contrary....I side w/ the police. I highly doubt if the circumstances are as simple as you have depicted. I also highly doubt the police would have shot the guy unless they felt their lives or someone else's lives were in danger.

I have a very good friend that I grew up and have known my whole life that is an officer. He shot and killed a man a few years ago and I talked to him about it. He said the officers do EVERYTHING they can possibly think of to avoid shooting some one, that is until the perp raises a weapon. In his case it was a shotgun that the dude grabbed and was trying to raise to shoot, but my buddy pumped two shots right into the guys chest before he could get a shot off.

A couple of things that I learned from his experience that I never knew. Police NEVER shoot to wound, if they are forced to shoot it's always going to be a kill shot. The police are trained to never fire one shot, they always shoot a minumum of twice.

Standing by for the rest of the details.

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I side with the police anytime someone runs from them and don't blame them if they have to take action just won't clear on how much. . If your running you did something wrong to start with. Just was not sure if they had the right to fire if they did not see a weapon .
Yes on the Greenville Coork. Just stopped and all I got was the story from the GF second handed from her daughter so I'm not taking sides in any way. The young man should not have run and if he was trying to rob the place I really stand behind the police if they felt he was a threat. I have my views on police but I still respect them for the job they do. Just wish all of them were as level headed as Cracker.
and thats country for a good thing cracker.
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You said there was a scuffle, could have been the guy was trying to get the cops gun! Maybe! Anyway,kind of useless to speculate on whether it was justified until the facts are brought forward. Don't know to many cops that make a habit of just shooting people without some sort of reason.
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Was hoping Coork was still up and may have heard the news. Things like this are few and far between around here so i'm sure it will be on big time tomorrow.
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Sounds like suicide by cop to me.

Bartlett says officers were performing a high risk traffic stop, Wainwright was down on the ground and then got back up and lunged toward the door. Police say there was a gun inside the pickup truck. Bartlett says Corporal Scott Johnson then shot Wainwright.
http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/B...120386174.html
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PREVIOUS STORY:

Greenville police say an armed robbery suspect shot by one of their officers has died.

Today:
A man is dead after police say he robbed a Rite Aid pharmacy for prescription drugs Thursday afternoon in Greenville.
It all happened around 2:00 p.m. Thursday afternoon on the corner of Stantonsburg Road and Arlington Boulevard. John Wainwright of Farmville was driving a black pick up truck when police say he robbed the Rite Aid pharmacy for prescription drugs on the corner of Moye and Stantonsburg Thursday at 2:14. One minute later at 2:15 a Greenville officer pulled Wainwright over in the ECU Neurosurgical parking lot and that's where things turned deadly.
According to police, Wainwright tried to get back in his truck after officers had him on the ground. That's when Officer Scott Johnson fired shots killing Wainwright. It's what Greenville police say they are trained to do.
"We're trained to fire until the threat stops whether that be two three or four times. That's not unusual at all," said Greenville Deputy Police Chief Joe Bartlett.
The SBI is investigating like they do for all officer involved shootings.

Sounds like the police felt he was going to the truck for a gun. If the above report is accurate, I can't see were the police had a choice.
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Thanks Dave. Just got back in the truck and rolling and thats the story I got last night at CP's house.
He had the gun, did try and rob the store, left, police stopped him had him on the ground, he broke loose, went for the truck and that popped him. Fully justified by the officers.
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There are a lot of thugs in G-Ville that need to be shot.
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Originally Posted by Shag View Post
There are a lot of thugs in G-Ville that need to be shot.
East of I-95 is a tough place to live unless you travel or bring your own job. Very poor in the area and folks are pushed to the limit. Nothing right at all about what this young man did but you can see the look on people faces they are tired.
Don't get a chance to catch news other than xm and was hoping someone had more info on it. Thanks again Dave,,,
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The 36-year-old Farmville man was a suspect in the armed robbery of the Rite Aid Pharmacy on Stantonsburg Road and Moye Boulevard. Police say an officer saw his GMC Sierra pickup truck about a block away.
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A quick news report this morning on WCTI showed pictures of the scene. If the truck in the report was the one the suspect was driving, it was an almost new Silverado/GMC. Sounds like someone with both a drug problem and probably dealing.

Greenville seems to be in the news daily for violent and/or deadly crimes. My GF lived there when she first came to NC, couldn't get out fast enough.

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More from the WCTI news website....

Police said Wainright, a Farmville man, robbed the Rite Aid and was seen driving a GMC Sierra Z71 after the robbery. Police said Cpl. Scott Johnson pulled the suspect's car over. Wainright got out of the truck, and then lunged back in. That's when Officer Johnson shot the suspect. Police did find a gun in that truck.
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the daughter might want to reconsider her friends
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Originally Posted by Shin-Dig View Post
the daughter might want to reconsider her friends
I'm sure thats a question in her own mind right now Shin and I did say friend so that was my fault. She knew the boy. Just a Carolina thing and I do the same myself. We're right friendly folks down here.

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Originally Posted by Shin-Dig View Post
the daughter might want to reconsider her friends
That's what I was thinking too.

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