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tcontic 04-06-2011 10:12 AM

Plumbing estimate sticker shock
 
I'm remodeling a half bath in my home and need some plumbing work done:

1) Remove and Install Toilet
2) Replace toilet shutoff valve
3) Change from pedestal to wall mounted sink
a. Move two supply lines over 2 inches
b. Move drain over two inches
c. Mount sink
4) Install sink & faucet

I received three estimates, $850, $750 and $650.

It's been a while since I've done any plumbing work, do these seem reasonable?

Thanks in advance!

bamaboy473 04-06-2011 10:17 AM

What are the drain and water lines made out of, and how easy are they to access? How old is the system? It seems like the plumbers are expecting a full day's job or maybe a bit more than a day ( if there are surprises).

tcontic 04-06-2011 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by bamaboy473 (Post 3663484)
What are the drain and water lines made out of, and how easy are they to access? How old is the system? It seems like the plumbers are expecting a full day's job or maybe a bit more than a day ( if there are surprises).

All supply and drain lines are copper, original to the house about 30 years old. All pipes are exposed and accessible, room is gutted. Pipes seem solid, all estimates are to use existing copper pipes.

bamaboy473 04-06-2011 10:24 AM

I'm not plumber (as another thread proves :grin:) but I bet that the cost of copper has a good bit to do with the estimate if that's a labor/material price.

RI Builder 04-06-2011 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by tcontic (Post 3663471)
I'm remodeling a half bath in my home and need some plumbing work done:

1) Remove and Install Toilet
2) Replace toilet shutoff valve
3) Change from pedestal to wall mounted sink
a. Move two supply lines over 2 inches
b. Move drain over two inches
c. Mount sink
4) Install sink & faucet

I received three estimates, $850, $750 and $650.

It's been a while since I've done any plumbing work, do these seem reasonable?

Thanks in advance!

Where are you, because here, those prices would be on the low side for materials+labor.

bjm9818 04-06-2011 10:34 AM

700 isn't a bad price. If the place is gutted he will have to be there twice(rough in and then install) Install a sink and vanity can be a PITA depending on what faucet you go with.

tcontic 04-06-2011 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by RI Builder (Post 3663534)
Where are you, because here, those prices would be on the low side for materials+labor.

Long Island, NY

tcontic 04-06-2011 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by bjm9818 (Post 3663541)
700 isn't a bad price. If the place is gutted he will have to be there twice(rough in and then install) Install a sink and vanity can be a PITA depending on what faucet you go with.

Yes, he'll have to be on site twice. Complete rough in and cap off pipes, then finish installation.

RI Builder 04-06-2011 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by tcontic (Post 3663546)
Long Island, NY


Materials and labor - low

Labor only, in line and decent prices.

They are factoring in 2 visits to site and if no GC probably a little PITA cushion for dealing directly with a home owner acting as GC.

Flot 04-06-2011 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by tcontic (Post 3663551)
Yes, he'll have to be on site twice. Complete rough in and cap off pipes, then finish installation.

Split the job into two pieces and $650 seems fairly reasonable. The "real" plumbing work looks pretty minor, it's more the hassle of coming back twice and then doing things like hanging a wall mounted sink etc.

Of course, it does seem like pretty simple work that a 'handyman' type might do for $250-350.

ladyjane 04-06-2011 12:14 PM

up here those prices would be low

Ft Myers Ken 04-06-2011 12:48 PM

Pick the guy in the middle, call him up and tell him the lower bid was $650 but you like him best.... and you'd like to give him the job for $700. He'll probably say yes. If not- hire him anyway!

Mist-Rest 04-06-2011 12:55 PM

I wouldn't bitch.


I also don't know any poor plumbers.:grin:

bsh102 04-06-2011 12:56 PM

Those estimates seem pretty low considering most service companies are going to charge approx. $70 to $100 per hour for labor and he has to make two trips to complete job.

LI Sound Grunt 04-06-2011 01:14 PM

Yea I think it has nothing to do with padding it for a direct customer. The guy wants a days pay and 2 trips - seems fair to me. And sure a handy man with no overhead can do it for less- but you gotta know the right guy. The fact that they are close tells you its probbaly a decent fair price. Just had a 500 buck euro style hi capacity radiator installed to replace a small baseboard and had new circuator pump gaskets, a new air removal system (forget what they are called) and 4 new brass faucet/bleeders for the 4 different zones and associated parts and bleeding for 1600 P and L. 2 guys here for the better part of a day.

twobyfour 04-06-2011 01:39 PM

For new work, my plumber gets $350 to $450 per fixture, not including the fixture, depending on the house. A fixture is a toilet, sink, , shower, tub, washing machine, pretty much anything that requires a hot and cold waterline and drain to be run to it. In this case, you have 2 fixtures. But this is not new work, and its hard to compare to normal pricing, but I'd say they are all inline. The last thing you want is some jack leg to hook the stuff up.. If you've done any plumbing before, I don't see why you couldn't do this.

Mr. Demeanor 04-06-2011 01:47 PM

I would pay myself the money and do it. Nothing to tough there.

DoubleO7 04-06-2011 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by tcontic (Post 3663471)
I'm remodeling a half bath in my home and need some plumbing work done:

1) Remove and Install Toilet
2) Replace toilet shutoff valve
3) Change from pedestal to wall mounted sink
a. Move two supply lines over 2 inches
b. Move drain over two inches
c. Mount sink
4) Install sink & faucet

I received three estimates, $850, $750 and $650.

It's been a while since I've done any plumbing work, do these seem reasonable?

Thanks in advance!

Take out the 2 inch move and you could save a bunch.

tcontic 04-06-2011 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by DoubleO7 (Post 3664082)
Take out the 2 inch move and you could save a bunch.

Not an option as the exposed plumbing would not be centered on the wall mounted sink. My plumbing skills are poor at best, solder and fire are not my friends I know my limitations.

Tom

dahlbebop 04-06-2011 02:22 PM

Those prices are not expensive, I would trust the one for $850.00. Plumbing and electrical are usually the most expensive sub on any project. Sounds reasonable for my area. Hell, I don't leave the house for less than $500.00 a day to cover fuel, overhead, experience, insurance, plus material and he has already been there once just to bid the job.etc,etc,etc


Originally Posted by tcontic (Post 3664102)
Not an option as the exposed plumbing would not be centered on the wall mounted sink. My plumbing skills are poor at best, solder and fire are not my friends I know my limitations.

Tom


CNUMB 04-06-2011 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by tcontic (Post 3663471)
I'm remodeling a half bath in my home and need some plumbing work done:

1) Remove and Install Toilet
2) Replace toilet shutoff valve
3) Change from pedestal to wall mounted sink
a. Move two supply lines over 2 inches
b. Move drain over two inches
c. Mount sink
4) Install sink & faucet

I received three estimates, $850, $750 and $650.

It's been a while since I've done any plumbing work, do these seem reasonable?

Thanks in advance!

Well I am a plumber down here in Fl. and those prices seem fair for 2 trips. Like Ft Myers Ken said go with the middle guy, seems reasonable..

Just1more 04-06-2011 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by RI Builder (Post 3663534)
Where are you, because here, those prices would be on the low side for materials+labor.

My thoughts, exactly. :thumbsup:

Pick the one in the middle!

Chuckster 04-06-2011 09:05 PM

Like CNUMB, I'm also a plumber, and I think those are reasonable prices, especially if they include permit fees.

billinstuart 04-07-2011 05:03 AM

Reasonable to me, especially for a plumber dealing with a homeowner directly.

CLang 04-07-2011 04:05 PM

The plumber I just used for my remodel charged $95 an hour for he and a helper to move a few lines and reinstall all my fixtures. You had better make sure that the cost includes your fixtures. Its unbelievable what they charge for toilets and sinks these days. Faucets and bath tubs cost more than that. I had terrible sticker shock when looking at new things for the house. But the price on your quotes doesn't seem bad to me at all.

coddock 04-07-2011 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by RI Builder (Post 3663534)
Where are you, because here, those prices would be on the low side for materials+labor.

Yes sir...a steal with the plumbers we deal with around here!They are all $75.00-$120.00/hr and sometimes average more on a bid job when things go well.Who needs college???

sixpack324 04-07-2011 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by RI Builder (Post 3663534)
Where are you, because here, those prices would be on the low side for materials+labor.


Same here

$750.00 to rough and set........plus cost of fixture is a good rule of thumb

the good life 04-07-2011 08:49 PM

Wow, that is actually a very good estimate! You should see what my dentist is charging me this week for some crown work! :o

SHAMROCK69 04-08-2011 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by coddock (Post 3667080)
Yes sir...a steal with the plumbers we deal with around here!They are all $75.00-$120.00/hr and sometimes average more on a bid job when things go well.Who needs college???

Funny you should say that. Our country is heading towards a huge shortage of skilled trade labor's like plumbers, electricitons etc. Good money in it but our system does not push towards the trades.

2450CC 04-08-2011 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Chuckster (Post 3665011)
Like CNUMB, I'm also a plumber, and I think those are reasonable prices, especially if they include permit fees.

I would bet anything there will be no permits pulled at those prices. When I remodeled my kitchen I didn't need to replace the plumbing but still needed to have the permit pulled etc. So all my bids were $900.00 - $1200.00 per fixture. I paid the $1200.00 because he suggested to go brand new with everything rip it all out and replace it all.. I was there walls open with full access to everything. I live in an old house 1938 so he was right spend a couple extra bucks now and go brand new top to bottom. Or save a few bucks and hope for the best. Made sense to me. Came to find out when we opened the ceiling in the basement to replace the old galvanized drain...... Guess what ? It was rotting badly at one of the T's so I would have spent the $ down the road and had a mess to clean up when it wasn't convenient. Pay now or pay later. Shite cost what it cost just pay the $ you will pay it one way or the other.

the good life 04-08-2011 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by 2450CC (Post 3668134)
I would bet anything there will be no permits pulled at those prices.

Speaking of permits..............

When my son had his front porch pillar supports replaced due to corrosion, it took two days by the contractor. He told us that if a city inspector stops by to just say we are repairing damaged items.

The same contractor is "remodeling" my GF's bathroom but did pull a permit with the city because he said he would be there for several weeks so not to take a chance.

BTW, he isn't cheap.

dahlbebop 04-08-2011 01:09 PM

Shouldn't need a permit! If your codes there are similar to here, the plumber is allowed to move things within 30 inches without a permit.

Originally Posted by 2450CC (Post 3668134)
I would bet anything there will be no permits pulled at those prices. When I remodeled my kitchen I didn't need to replace the plumbing but still needed to have the permit pulled etc. So all my bids were $900.00 - $1200.00 per fixture. I paid the $1200.00 because he suggested to go brand new with everything rip it all out and replace it all.. I was there walls open with full access to everything. I live in an old house 1938 so he was right spend a couple extra bucks now and go brand new top to bottom. Or save a few bucks and hope for the best. Made sense to me. Came to find out when we opened the ceiling in the basement to replace the old galvanized drain...... Guess what ? It was rotting badly at one of the T's so I would have spent the $ down the road and had a mess to clean up when it wasn't convenient. Pay now or pay later. Shite cost what it cost just pay the $ you will pay it one way or the other.


fishingfun 04-08-2011 01:14 PM

See plumers use to provide the crack now they bend you over and you supply the crack.

Chuckster 04-09-2011 09:54 PM


Shouldn't need a permit! If your codes there are similar to here, the plumber is allowed to move things within 30 inches without a permit.
Not in Massachusetts... you need a permit for pretty much everything.

And yes... they will catch you.

I pull permits for everything - even in my own home.

Crabpot Man 04-10-2011 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by Chuckster (Post 3671457)
Not in Massachusetts... you need a permit for pretty much everything.

And yes... they will catch you.

I pull permits for everything - even in my own home.

Revenue stream.

the good life 04-10-2011 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Chuckster (Post 3671457)
Not in Massachusetts... you need a permit for pretty much everything.

And yes... they will catch you.

I pull permits for everything - even in my own home.

Here in So Cal, a permit is required just to change the water heater! :o

billinstuart 04-10-2011 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by the good life (Post 3671972)
Here in So Cal, a permit is required just to change the water heater! :o

Only 1? Some places require an ELECTRICAL permit also...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

the good life 04-10-2011 08:38 PM

I wonder what's going to happen to others in the city where my GF lives? Her bathroom remodel should be complete in about two weeks or less. The city inspector who came by a couple of days ago signed off on the rough coat for the bathroom. The city is in financial trouble as the city wasn't even aware of how bad their bank accounts were! Apparently they are many millions in the hole and the inspector said his job was secure until about July.

hanson 04-11-2011 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by Mist-Rest (Post 3663928)
I wouldn't bitch.


I also don't know any poor plumbers.:grin:

Same here,Dont know any of them making under 150-200k per year that have their own shops.I have one son who is a freshman at Umass,twins that have 1 more year of high school.I keep telling them to get a mechanical Engineering degree,buy out a commercial plumbing business and roll everything into rental property.They'd be all done working by time they're 40.


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