alacrity

i sometimes fish in very remote areas in the bahamas. i always have a pistol that i carry but i believe it is inadequate in a moving vessel. the biggest risk, i believe, are pirates.

i need to purchase something else. i've seen the remington 870 marine shotgun and a friend suggested a ruger mini 14. any suggestions?

thanks in advance.

bamaboy473

how close do you want the other guys to get to you?

Hope this next question doesn't de-rail the thread, but are Claymore's available? What's the backflash if it's mounted on and activated from the flybridge?

swj

Ak-47s. At least one for everyone aboard and one spare. At least 300 rounds for each. Just in case of an extended firefight. Not to scare you but it happens.

Better to never need them than need them and not have then. Same goes for ammo.

Also estabilsh a "safety perimeter". Say 880 yds. Any boat enters that perimeter everyone on board drops the reels and goes to standby with their weapons ready but not exposed. Closer than 440 yards make a show of force. Closer than 220 yds warning shots. Closer than that its your call but you get the idea.

You will have zero problem with pirates.

Also never ever get lulled into complacency by things like, "its just some kids in a dinghy." or any of the other old pirate tricks.

Also agreed on the claymores being effective but I look at them as a spray and pray type weapon.

TheCritter

12 ga. with alternating 00 and slugs. Add a magazine extension and extra rounds on the stock, i.e. a tactical shotgun. Aim at the waterline initially as the boat approaches, and elsewhere if necessary.

swj

Agreed good gun to have a couple of in case the fight gets up close and personal. However range doesn't cut it. Pirates will for sure have aks and will pick you apart. You need something with RANGE and stopping power. Just my view of doing battle with Bahama pirates.

When lives depend on it firepower is what counts.

bamaboy473

are Tracers legal...or able to be bought? Couple of those bad boys going into a hull would do wonders for the fuel supply...

MacCTD

Shotgun is useless unless they are right next to you, and if they are the pistol would be just as effective and more lethal.
AK-47 chambered in .308, Saiga makes them, they are cheap, it will always work and plenty of punch to disable engines or blow holes in a hull.

gashogg

Well I don't think you'll know they are pirates until they're pretty close or even right next to you so I would go with a 12 ga.

P.S. I own a 870 marine 12 ga and I like it a lot, very fun to shoot and I have never had any problems with jams.

swj

I didn't want to criticize the shotgun idea but if they are close enoughfor it to be used you're probably going to be a goner. Still a good idea to have a couple SGs, you never know. They will have no sympathy on you after you start shooting.

Mac, I know everyone has different ideas but why shoot at the hull or engines? Its the pirates that are gong to kill you not the boat or engine! Once you start shooting make the shots count and elminate the threat!

Lives depend on it!

swj

Read my post about a safety perimeter. If they get in shotgun range you might as well send the welcome wagon to greet them. Caught napping and you're history.

Rustybee

I'm guessing 4 pages


Do a search. There has been much discussions on this topic with great feed back

BSpot

I have one of these. JIC.

gashogg

I may be out of the pirate loop here, do pirates come up with the Jolly Rodger flying and guns waving. I don't want to open fire on a fishing boat that's coming over to tell me to get off his spot.

auguste

Tell me where you fish and I will never go near you

Truly hope that you were spewing off tongue in cheek

john1sr

A fast boat helps... when in doubt…run

ABoater

Yeah, 4 pages added to the already existing 100 or so from the previous threads on the very same subject...

debugger

What? you dont bring a pile of AK's and 4000 rounds of ammo when you go fishing?

Kamper

Claymores: Even if you can find a source to buy to them legally, after getting a license and paying the 'excise' you will probably have your boat seized trying to bring them to another country and lot's of hassle on return. Also the backblast will destroy your boat.

Tracers: You can get them on-line from many bulk ammo suppliers or get a few clips worth at a gun-shop or gun-show.

FWIW: 12 guage can carry more than bird-shot. Huge lead slugs. Sabot penetrators. Flares. Even a flame-thrower round.

swj

Well the guy asked about protection from pirates in the Bahamas. Notcie that I DID NOT SANCTION the use of claymores. I do not mean to criticize the idea since in some applications they could be used very effectively. Just I don't think they are "tactical practical" in a marine pirate type setting.

Let me advise you to watch a few TV shows. "Tactical Practical", "Lives Depend On It" and "What If". Check the "Spike" network on Sat. mornings. These shows will really get you to think about guns and the guys packing heat.

How many of you guys have taken a tactical practical type handgun course? Learn how to properly deal with any gun situation you may face. Car jackings, home invasion, robbery mugging, sexual attacks, you name it.......... about every situation you may run into. I would love to see them do an episode on pirates taking over your boat and how to deal with it. I think my first post wouold factor heavily into their methods.

cfarmd

saw a sheriffs boat on the aegis boat companies website with an M60 mounted to the fore deck...I think that would work. About a 500 round ammo box and you'd be set!