Notices

Missed on purpose. Gunman pulled off

Old 12-17-2010, 10:49 AM
  #1  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Greensboro, NC
Posts: 3,748
Default Missed on purpose. Gunman pulled off

He pulled off target. Missed on purpose. Just before he shoots at the Board Chairman, he pulls the gun to the right. Wife says he was an excellent shot.
If he wanted to kill, there would have been many dead people. Most of them probably, including Ginger.


Distraught man doing a very stupid and irrational thing. IMO, some remaining "sense" looks to have stopped him from that.

Police suicide. ??
round2it is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 12:54 PM
  #2  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: FL
Posts: 4,972
Default

Yup from 6 to 8 feet it's kind of hard to miss.
Joe Mc 44 is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 12:55 PM
  #3  
TSA
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: St Pete/Islamorada
Posts: 6,123
Default

sad, but inevitably the outcome is the same.
TSA is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 03:14 PM
  #4  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: On The Tenna Sea
Posts: 13,424
Default

Originally Posted by Joe Mc 44 View Post
Yup from 6 to 8 feet it's kind of hard to miss.
You ever shoot somebody at close range?

Doesn't matter if the guy missed on purpose or not. He went into a public meeting with a gun. Yeah, real smart. You want suicide by cop, you don't shoot at other people.
Freeebird is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 03:34 PM
  #5  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 15,728
Default

You shoot at other people so that LEOs know they aren't going to be talking you out of something. The video showed a man that seemed very comfortable with his pistol. He wasn't raving and waving, he was walking the walk, IMO.
Hearing that he likely missed on purpose makes sense after seeing the video. Sorry for his family...
bamaboy473 is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 03:37 PM
  #6  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Braunfels, Tx
Posts: 8,763
Default

Didn't he shoot himself after he hit the ground? If so, clearly he didn't miss on the self inflicted wound....
ReelWork is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 03:47 PM
  #7  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: MA and ME
Posts: 16,795
Default

I have seen shooters on a firing line who would miss with zero stress with any issues involved. His wife is FOS. Clearly some people here think missing at 6-8 feet is not possible.
Personally the distance looked greater than 6-8 feet but I didn't study the video and don't care. The "marksman" placed a bullet in the proper place to the right target.

Hard to cry insane when you're 6 feet deep.
Mist-Rest is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 03:56 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location:
Posts: 272
Default

"He pulled off target. Missed on purpose. Just before he shoots at the Board Chairman, he pulls the gun to the right. Wife says he was an excellent shot. " I think that is the dumbest thing I ever read. Unless you saw a video from behind,who knows which way he leaned. What would have happened if the Board member leaned to the left just a bit. then he just started firing randomly. " He wasn't raving and waving, he was walking the walk" what does that mean? He paced around and spray painted a wall with a movie symbol. that would be crazy in anybodies book. That scene was pure luck. The old lady who tried to save the day,that was heroic although a bit stupid.
devosurf is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 04:16 PM
  #9  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 15,728
Default

Thanks for the correction. What I saw showed him taking aim at the chairman and then firing; I didn't stay to watch to whole show.
If I had been behind that desk and seen him pointing that gun the way he did. I'd have been sure that I was going to die if I didn't hoof it out of there.
bamaboy473 is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 04:58 PM
  #10  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: FL
Posts: 4,972
Default

Originally Posted by Freeebird View Post
You ever shoot somebody at close range?

Doesn't matter if the guy missed on purpose or not. He went into a public meeting with a gun. Yeah, real smart. You want suicide by cop, you don't shoot at other people.
Yes.
Joe Mc 44 is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 05:05 PM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 2,845
Default

So the wife is defending him? i dont get it. So shes saying," you guys fired me and your lucky my husband didnt kill you?" screw her.
surrender is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 06:20 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,514
Default

That guy had no intention of hurting anyone in that room, it was obvious from the video, scary, yes, but he was in control from the start, and by the way, Fla like so many other states have concealed carry, so why does everyone on that board sit there fat dumb and happy? Because once again law abiding citizens( legally licensed Concealed carry) don't carry their weapons where it is against the law thus putting their lives in jeopardy. I'm getting mighty confused about these Barney Fife's, (security gaurds) that we are placing our lives in their hands, this security guard slips up behind this guy and still the best he does is shoots him in the leg, the lady with the pocket book does him more damage, kinda like the 2 guards at Ft Hood that can't even end that whacko muslim's life that killed our soldiers, yet they are made out to be hero's and before it's over the shooter will walk.
zigzag is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 06:37 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location:
Posts: 272
Default

[quote=ZIGZAG;3406374]That guy had no intention of hurting anyone in that room, it was obvious from the video, scary, yes, but he was in control from the start, and by the way, Fla like so many other states have concealed carry, so why does everyone on that board sit there fat dumb and happy? Sorry round2it . ZigZag wins dumbest ever. Concealed yes. holding it at a school board meeting where children were present , until the guy that was in complete "control" told everbody to leave, a tad bit different.
devosurf is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 06:50 PM
  #14  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: On The Tenna Sea
Posts: 13,424
Default

Originally Posted by ZIGZAG View Post
That guy had no intention of hurting anyone in that room, it was obvious from the video, scary, yes, but he was in control from the start, and by the way, Fla like so many other states have concealed carry, so why does everyone on that board sit there fat dumb and happy? Because once again law abiding citizens( legally licensed Concealed carry) don't carry their weapons where it is against the law thus putting their lives in jeopardy. I'm getting mighty confused about these Barney Fife's, (security gaurds) that we are placing our lives in their hands, this security guard slips up behind this guy and still the best he does is shoots him in the leg, the lady with the pocket book does him more damage, kinda like the 2 guards at Ft Hood that can't even end that whacko muslim's life that killed our soldiers, yet they are made out to be hero's and before it's over the shooter will walk.
Might want to read up on the security guard. He was a retired cop.
Freeebird is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 08:51 PM
  #15  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: The left coast.
Posts: 1,881
Default

I heard that the shooter was unemployed and was bi-polar. He relied on his wife's insurance for medical and she was fired, let go, laid off. Wife said he was an excellent shooter so probably never intended to kill anyone.

The guard was interviewed on ABC this morning and yes he is a retired police officer who also took specialized hostage training. He also mentioned that it took awhile for him to come to grips with the fact that he shot the guy in the back.

Bad scene for everyone involved.
the good life is offline  
Old 12-17-2010, 09:04 PM
  #16  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: FL
Posts: 4,972
Default

Originally Posted by the good life View Post
that it took awhile for him to come to grips with the fact that he shot the guy in the back.

Bad scene for everyone involved.
It shouldn't have. He just shot at the hostages. Take him down anyway you can.
Joe Mc 44 is offline  
Old 12-18-2010, 12:52 AM
  #17  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Greensboro, NC
Posts: 3,748
Default

Simply stating my opinion and I stand by it. Not condoning what he did nor mourning the outcome. Looked to me be be in control of his firearm. However, I am very glad that I wasn't trusting my life to his accuracy. The chairman is certainly a very brave man trying to bring the gunman's focus on him only. I think Ginger's actions were foolhardy and could have been the tipping point for her and others death. Absolutely glad that no one other than the gunman was injured or killed.
round2it is offline  
Old 12-18-2010, 04:50 AM
  #18  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,514
Default

"Might want to read up on the security guard. He was a retired cop"

I realize the security guard was a retired cop and for that reason alone I would have thought he would have been able to shoot better than he did, once he started to shoot it should have been to end it, same in Ft Hood, there was no reason for 2 cops to have let that shooter live either.
zigzag is offline  
Old 12-18-2010, 06:20 AM
  #19  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
THT sponsor
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Venice, Florida
Posts: 16,885
Default

What is far more amazing is the boards lack of self preservation. I dont mean that in a negative way but the human reaction to having a gun pointed and fired at you is quite interesting. It took quite awhile for them to take cover. They froze. Not quite what you think you would do in the same scenario.
Mr. Demeanor is offline  
Old 12-18-2010, 06:43 AM
  #20  
KJS
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Where I go, there I am
Posts: 16,796
Default

[quote=devosurf;3406131The old lady who tried to save the day,that was heroic [/quote]

I agree. I read a story the other day of an 80+ year old lady working at Wal Mart that attacked a shoplifter trying to leave the building. Never underestimate a tenacious old lady.
KJS is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.