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Old 12-12-2010, 06:07 PM
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I knew we had Coyotes around but they never caused any problems until recently. About two weeks ago the wife found part of a young deer in the back field. A few days later we found a even younger deer in the mowed part of our yard. Then, we found a pile of Owl feathers big enough to stuff a pillow. This was my Owl buddy:

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Now I am pissed. Went to the local sporting goods shop today and got an electronic coyote call. Going to set up in the back field this week and try and call the SOB in. If I can't do it I've heard of a kid around here who is supposed to be real good at it.

I know there are a lot of "methods" to get rid of Coyotes but I find some of them inhumane and just want to bust his ass with a .308 and stuff him.

Sorry, I'll get off my rant now but he did kill my Owl.
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Shag, sorry for the loss of the nice things around your house. What is it about coyotes that is individual, though? I thought they were a pack type of animal...are they not?
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My guess is that there's more than one. A .223 with a good scope works great for Coyotes. A buddy with Pheasant land out in South Dakota likes to snipe them from the top of a hill. The distance prevents them from figuring out where the shot came from and gives you a chance to pick off more than one.
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Originally Posted by Cousin Eddie View Post
A .223 with a good scope works great for Coyotes.
Old 12-12-2010, 06:47 PM
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I tagged one a couple years ago that was chasing a deer and used a 308 with a 150 grain bullet. Nice clean shot going in but the exit shot took most of the other side with it. Use a smaller caliber rifle if you want to have a mount or the 308 if you need field fetilizer.
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Shag, I am sorry to hear of the loss of your Owl Buddy. He looked like a great Owl. My youngest girl is in the Wildlife rehab program at Lees McRae in Banner Elk and works with Owls every day.
The coyote is a smart critter. For your first shot let me suggest a can of fish cat food set out an hour before dark. It will work like a charm. As suggested a .223 is one heck of a coyote cartridge. I shoot with a 50mm Nikon scope. Never had a second shot.
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Where in West Carolina are you?

I go to Elon in Burlington, NC and have a house up in Boone, NC. I know there are coyotes all over the Carolinas but they seem to be a lot more common down east from what I've heard. I've had bears, foxes, and plenty of deer in my yard up in Boone but have yet to see a coyote.

Sorry to hear about the owl, would be pretty cool to have one of those hanging out around the house.

If you find out there's a pack rather than just one I'd be happy to bring the .30-06 down and help you take care of them. I think we're both a little overpowered so there probably wouldn't be much left to stuff but I think it'd be the end of your problem.
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Come on out to Idaho and Montana. We not only have coyotes to contend with but also have a bigger problem with wolves. The worst is the Feds put em back on the endangerd list.
Shoot bury and shut up!
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Originally Posted by SirFer View Post
Where in West Carolina are you?

I go to Elon in Burlington, NC and have a house up in Boone, NC. I know there are coyotes all over the Carolinas but they seem to be a lot more common down east from what I've heard. I've had bears, foxes, and plenty of deer in my yard up in Boone but have yet to see a coyote.

Sorry to hear about the owl, would be pretty cool to have one of those hanging out around the house.

If you find out there's a pack rather than just one I'd be happy to bring the .30-06 down and help you take care of them. I think we're both a little overpowered so there probably wouldn't be much left to stuff but I think it'd be the end of your problem.
Small world. I tried Elon for 3 years back in the late 70's but it didn't work so I spent 4 years in the USCG. I am in Statesville but we have a lot on Fire Tower Rd in Boone that we are probably going to build a house on in the next year or so.

Back to the fuggin coyote. My best rifles are .308's so whatever hole it puts in the SOB is OK with me. I am sure there are more than one but they can either move on or get a hole in them too. I'm pissed. They got my Owl. Dammit.
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I read that killing them just makes more of them. If you kill an alpha it just sets the rest loose to breed like crazy. Also when you kill the hunters the non-hunters in the pack start killing more livestock. Any truth to that?
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Are they protected in Carolina?....they are just trying to make a living like the rest of us....how do it/they catch an owl?
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Originally Posted by slickster View Post
Are they protected in Carolina?....they are just trying to make a living like the rest of us....how do it/they catch an owl?

That was my question--how does a coyote kill an owl?


And how are you sure it was the coyote?


Just curious.



;?
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I read that killing them just makes more of them. If you kill an alpha it just sets the rest loose to breed like crazy. Also when you kill the hunters the non-hunters in the pack start killing more livestock. Any truth to that?
They are all opportunistic breeders and bloodthirsty killers. They are very intelligent, do run in packs so if you have seen one there are probably many others close by.

A good friend lost three of his beagles to a pack while they were running rabbits. The little hounds were in hot pursuit when the hunting party heard an awful ruckus break out. The beagles were only a little over 100 yards from them but in thick cover. By the time they got there two of his dogs were gone and the third one was laying there barely alive but eviscerated. Following the tracks it became apparent that 4 or 5 coyotes had obviously heard the beagles at work and began tracking them. Backtracking their trail in the snow showed that the pack had circled the whole scene including the hunters to figure out what was going on and then took up a location where they could remain undetected but intercept the beagles in thick cover.

Lot's of cats and small dogs disappear when a pack of "little wolves" take up residence in an area. And you can forget about free range chickens......

A local DNR biologist told me that a den was found about 8 miles from where I live but right on the edge of another small town. Near that den they found the remains of 4 adult whitetails and 18 fawns. There were numerous other skulls from smaller animals including domestic dogs also. As far as they knew the den had only been there for 5 months when it was found in early fall.

Kill all coyotes on sight. Oh.....and just wait until the DNR in your state decides that reintroducing wolves would be a dandy idea. A friend of mine near Escanaba in the U.P. says that the deer herd is decimated in that area since the wolves moved in. One of his hay fields is right behind his house and he told me it used to be nothing to count 50-60 deer on it any given evening in the summer. He says he is lucky if he see's a half dozen a week now. As usual the DNR says it's not the wolves but the locals know better and are beginning to take matters into their own hands........
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When I lived in Indiana we hunted them all the time. Big spotlight with a red lens will light there eyes and not scare them, we used a taped rabbit squeel. 3006 at 150 yds makes a very dead coyote.
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My Dad let's a guy put a stand up on the farm. He has a red light aiming in front of it that he keeps on so they get use to it. I think he throws some road kill in front of it on a regular basis so they are comfortable coming in. He then sits in his stand at night and knocks them off. I think he also has a recording over loudspeaker of a wounded wabbit.

I use to carry an sks in the tractor and would try to shoot them when I saw them. They are smart, once you put the tractor in park they know something is up.
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He will approach from downwind, so you will need a cover scent. You also need camo over your face. A decoy would help a lot. Don't play the recording very long. Take the shot asap. If you miss or he busts you, the call won't work anymore. Dawn and dusk is best. Face downwind. Good Luck. They are very smart animals.
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The wolf that was re introduced to the NW is not the same species as the native wolf.
They brought down the Canadian strain that on average is 50 lbs heavier than the original native wolf.
They are more aggressive and will kill any thing that they can get a hold of.
Winter kill on the elk herds has been pretty bad the last couple of years and the wolfs have had a field day as the elk are mired by the deep snow. Last years elk season was a bust and you could hear the wolf pack howling at night and early morning.
One woman was surrounded by 4 in her drive way when she walked out to pick up the mail.
They shot em all back in the late 1800's and early 1900's for a reason.
As far as I know they all hunt. I'll have to ask the F&G about that.
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Originally Posted by Cat-a-holic View Post
That was my question--how does a coyote kill an owl?


And how are you sure it was the coyote?


Just curious.



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*Because they are Slylock Fox
*Doesn't matter, it's good sport calling in and shooting them
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We shoot them all the time while deer hunting, if I were targeting coyotes only I opt for something like the 223 or 220 swift but regular deer calibers work well also

The electronic calls will bring them in but they have great eye sight and are very wary animals. I have missed my share of them since they are hardly ever still, suckers move all the time. Some guys will rig something up for movement away from the call to attract their attention to that. Also if you have an electronic call get one with a long cord to the speaker so you can move it away from you since they will pin point the sound.

I am sure they get young deer all the time but not sure how one would get an owl but I would assume it was feeding on the ground and got ambushed, probably what ever the owl killed was squealing and a coyote was near by and got two meals for the price of one.

Coyotes are not as much a problem for us as the damn HOGS, those SOB's will multiply quicker than rabbits and tear up any food plots they can
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Originally Posted by slickster View Post
Are they protected in Carolina?....they are just trying to make a living like the rest of us....how do it/they catch an owl?
Protected? Any idea how they showed up in the middle of the Carolina's? They are bad news for domestic and wildlife, just a matter of time till humans get in their way.

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