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Old 11-15-2010, 07:02 PM
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Heard on the news that the semi driver who hit a vehicle and killed a family of four was found guilty of misdemeanor manslaughter and will probably be sentenced to a year in prison.

What the he!! is misdemeanor about killing four people?
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Specifics on the case?
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yeah, our news just showed a lady whose child had died and she kept it in a box under her bed for a long time, so she's facing prison time.

I agree with you that prison isn't the answer for accidents that cost lives. Institutions of some type that maybe will get into their heads and try to help them make better choices in life.

Sending them to prison just costs the rest of us money and...effectively kills them and their whole life hopes.
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There was no "Intent" ?
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:30 PM
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Specifics on the case?
No gross negligence? Four people died? Something isn't right here!

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...ire&id=7788274
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Originally Posted by the good life View Post
No gross negligence? Four people died? Something isn't right here!

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...ire&id=7788274

Maybe he switched lanes and didn't see them? Just because 4 people died doesn't mean someone should be sent to prison for it. Accidents happen, its when the jerks are drunk or on drugs that they deserve punishment for their actions.
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Maybe he switched lanes and didn't see them? Just because 4 people died doesn't mean someone should be sent to prison for it. Accidents happen, its when the jerks are drunk or on drugs that they deserve punishment for their actions.
Sorry, I just can't swallow that. The guy was a "professional" truck driver. I believe they are held to a higher standard of driving than your everyday motorist. He plowed into them.

My feelings are that if you take a life or are part of a group that takes a life out of ignorance or committing a crime, punishment should be fitting.
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Let me enlighten you on our new america out there on trucking. You can pull off a on ramp cut directly in front of me and be killed. A lawyer will get my cell phone records and if my logs don't match to the minuet where I last left a stop on my logs . its my fault. In the courts eyes, I was not suppose to be there so I"m guilty. Even though its your fault, your dead from careless driving. Is that right???
It does not matter . Someone has to take the blame and the trucker is going to get that award all the time.
Fault and guilt has nothing to do any longer as to who's to blame or who's fault it is. Its all about the laws.. (logs) they can present to a judge with fault falling on us.
Years ago, in Washington state, I got a speeding ticket cause I showed 59mph on my logs in a 65 mph zone cause there was about 20 miles of construction according to the cop and one sign on the side of the road with no construction in sight but I had logged the last stop just as I had left. I didn't slow down was running with everyone else and was stopped about 30 miles from where I had just left and ask for my log book. Same thing La pulled about 15 years ago. Completed the roads when they redid I-20 and left the 55mph signs up for I know it had to be 8 years after construction was completed. Cops would give you 70 but if you were stopped they would write it for 55zone.
Don't take everything you hear on TV and cast blame on a issue when your only hearing the outcome. We are suppose to only work 70 hours in 8 days then take a 34 hour restart or off time.
Funny thing they don't think its safe for use to drive after that but hundreds of cops holding down two jobs doing the same with no days off yet this guy can make calls using deadly force and get away with it. .
Its sad anyone has to be killed in a car accident and unless something in that car brakes its usually the drivers fault or a careless act like flooring it to get in front of us to fly up a off ramp but all a lawyer has to do is show that driver was 'NOT" suppose to be there by his logs and no matter what that car or suv did to cause the accident the truck driver will be blamed.
The courts know just what happend. If that truck driver caused the accident it would not be a misdemeanor,, it would be a felony. We are under federal regulations not state so everything on us is federal. you would see 10 to 20 years. Not one year. Listen to the Charge. """"misdemeanor"""
Think for just a minuet. You can run into the side of my drivers door and hurt me, flee the accident and you will be charged with felony hit and run. You don't even have to kill me. If this accident were the truckers fault do you really think he would get off that easy. ??? Between you and I the truck driver more than likely had nothing to do with the accident other than he was just there. He's just the one that has to take the fall but you'll never hear the TV tell you that part cause most of the time they don't even know what went on in courts. You just hearing the outcome or whats on the 5 o clock news and most of the time the news turns it into what they want you to hear.
Truck runs head on into family of 5 and kills all. They didn't tell you the family of 5 were on the wrong side of the road and driver was drunk. . Do you guys remember me telling you about my friend that killed 5 out west on our driving and drinking thread we had a few months back. Posted photos of his truck after the wreck. That how the head lines read in the local paper. They didn't lie, Rich did kill 5 and ran into them but if it ain't the trucks fault its ain't news and it don't sell papers. . Thats how that works.
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I agree with you that prison isn't the answer for accidents that cost lives. Institutions of some type that maybe will get into their heads and try to help them make better choices in life.

Sending them to prison just costs the rest of us money and...effectively kills them and their whole life hopes.
I'm class AZ and this past summer I was in to rewrite both my licences (mandatory renewal), either way the girl in front of me in the line was there for her 11th time trying to pass her basic written......WTF! There lies the root problem of the system.

TV programs like "America's Worst Drivers", WTF are people like that even doing with a drivers licence? I'd be willing to wager that more than half of all drivers on the road today couldn't pass another written/ drivers exam "today" on their first try and yet the system allows them the right to be behind the wheel. I think there should be some system in place that says you have two attempts in the first fiscal year, the following year you only have one try to pass and then the person only has one other attempt the following fiscal year to get their licence. If they don't pass either the written, visual or practical they NEVER get their licence!!!!!!!!

We have the right to go to school, we have the right to get a job, but we do not have the right to be given a drivers licence and yet the system acts like we do. A typical drivers licence should not be broad stroked allowing a driver to drive a stick vs an automatic and should definitely not be broad stroked allowing drivers to pull a trailer!!!

"Misdemeanor manslaughter", crips the cops could site virtually every single truck driver on the road today 24/7/365 days of the year with violations to the driving act governing truck drivers. Today a truck driver doesn't have a leg to stand on when he gets dragged into court! And the really screwed up part of it all is, we see every day passenger vehicles not respecting other passenger vehicles on the roadways, well sit behind the wheel of a big truck and see/ experience what the driver of a big truck has to deal with!!!!!!!! With laws the way they are today against the big truck operator he is definitely grasping the short end of the stick that has been greased up!
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Liveaboard74,

For your information most law enforcement agencies in Florida anyways have an hour monthly limit that officer can work extra job and daily limits too.. You cant work anymore than a 16 hour day and generally something like 96 hours extra a month is the limit, so we do have limits. You will also find it more of a rarity for any officer to max that out.
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Liveaboard74,

For your information most law enforcement agencies in Florida anyways have an hour monthly limit that officer can work extra job and daily limits too.. You cant work anymore than a 16 hour day and generally something like 96 hours extra a month is the limit, so we do have limits. You will also find it more of a rarity for any officer to max that out.
Thanks cracker. I was just using that as an example but up north I know things are different. Several of the places I deliver to the boys sit at the car dealerships all night and in the squad car to. i'm not sure if the dept is getting paid for the car but I could imagen they are.
One I deliver to the officer is there monday through friday every night till midnight.
I can' say for sure what their limits cause it does not affect me. I know them by name and they walk over a talk sometimes and know when they leave but thats all. I have a full time job running my own mess...
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Originally Posted by liveaboard74 View Post
Thanks cracker. I was just using that as an example but up north I know things are different. Several of the places I deliver to the boys sit at the car dealerships all night and in the squad car to. i'm not sure if the dept is getting paid for the car but I could imagen they are.
One I deliver to the officer is there monday through friday every night till midnight.
I can' say for sure what their limits cause it does not affect me. I know them by name and they walk over a talk sometimes and know when they leave but thats all. I have a full time job running my own mess...
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Your welcome, I understand your frustrations, the Po Po have them too (generally the papers are not at all kind to us either) Oh and yes Agencies have figured out that they can charge these businesses and make extra money for the dept... I know our dept. pays for at least 3 people in our Off duty section with funds taken in PLUS has a nice surplus left over...
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The one thing I don't miss about driving trucks are the idiot 4 wheelers. The same stupid stunts they pull among themselves they do to a 80,000 truck.
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Your welcome, I understand your frustrations, the Po Po have them too (generally the papers are not at all kind to us either) Oh and yes Agencies have figured out that they can charge these businesses and make extra money for the dept... I know our dept. pays for at least 3 people in our Off duty section with funds taken in PLUS has a nice surplus left over...
Ya,,, we see that at almost every construction now. 2 or 3 hp with the lights going and we know their not for free... We know they write themselves into the program but everyone has to make a living. ..
Lot of times its hard to understand what the OP is trying to say on the internet. Actually there is no frustrations on my end. Govn. makes rules you guys have to enforce it and we figure ways around them. Sometimes you get caught in the middle and some times you don't.
We both work the streets just on different sides of the fence..
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What the he!! is misdemeanor about killing four people?
What was he charged with? Did the DA filed for that charge or did the jury exercise an option for a lesser charge?
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In my simple way of thinking, if the truck driver had no responsibility of the "accident" there wouldn't have been a manslaughter conviction at all. I don't know what the truck driver was actually accused of so maybe it was a plea agreement or something.

I've seen other accidents in the news where people were injured, some seriously and no charges were ever filed due to it being an "accident".

There are bad drivers everywhere and in every profession but it wouldn't have mattered if the driver was an angel, four people were still killed due to "misdemeanor manslaughter". Sorry, it still rubs me the wrong way. If it was the fault of the SUV driver or someone else who caused the SUV driver to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, I would think there wouldn't have been any charges against the truck driver.

I guess not knowing all the particulars doesn't help either.
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http://www.ocregister.com/news/pelon...dalgo-suv.html

This smells of plea bargaining.
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In my simple way of thinking, if the truck driver had no responsibility of the "accident" there wouldn't have been a manslaughter conviction at all. I don't know what the truck driver was actually accused of so maybe it was a plea agreement or something.

I've seen other accidents in the news where people were injured, some seriously and no charges were ever filed due to it being an "accident".

There are bad drivers everywhere and in every profession but it wouldn't have mattered if the driver was an angel, four people were still killed due to "misdemeanor manslaughter". Sorry, it still rubs me the wrong way. If it was the fault of the SUV driver or someone else who caused the SUV driver to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, I would think there wouldn't have been any charges against the truck driver.

I guess not knowing all the particulars doesn't help either.
Have you read your own links?

This hasn't been to court yet.

It appears all the trucker's papers, truck, bac were in order, or he most likely WOULD have been charged with some thing more serious.

People are rear ended in stop and go freeway traffic everyday, are they all felons?
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Second link said that while most traffic was doing 10 to 30 mph, the semi was doing 40 mph. I'd say that was unsafe for conditions.
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For an Interstate, 42 mph (stated) is low.
Was it around a bend, a hill, etc?
Was his lane clear, did the SUV come into his lane?

There are so many factors that could be involved that we don't know about.
We weren't there so we don't have all the facts.
This will play out in court.

Still, it is a horrible way to die in such a very tragic accident.
You know damn well the semi driver will have nightmares and cry for the rest of his life.
I know I would....
Accidents happen.
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