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Old 11-13-2010, 08:20 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot...-just-six-days

During my working career, I worked in an area known as the "Chinese Beverly Hills" and saw the workmanship of Chinese architects and contractors. Many shopping centers that cutting corners resulted in construction failures after completion. I can't imagine what this building would be like safety wise.
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do not have a link but saw one of there buildings that fell over after they built it on mud !!!
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Aren't they all safe .............. until they fall down.
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When the US builds something quickly we're the greatest... yet when another nation does it, they must have cut corners. LOL.

The iorny is, that you can be certain we would have cut ten times more corners and taken 100 times longer to build it at 100 times the cost.

Sorry folks, but the sad truth hurts.

China is lapping us in every way possible. But yeah, we beat communism. LOL. You just keep believing that. LOL
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Just wait until the 3 Gorges Dam collapses. 300 million
Chinese gone in the blink of an eye. But when your
population is well over a billion, what's a few hundred million
peasents?????
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It takes six days for my subs to show up on site or for the A+E's to give an answers to questions!

There are no RFI's (Request for Information) or ASI's (Architects Supplemental Instructions) or OC's (Owner Changes) on that job.
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I don't know how a house is built in 6 or 7 days right hear in America. I know there's ways to make concrete cure faster and compound to dry faster. You can put primer in with the paint, etc. I'd rather take a little more time and have it right than to put a hundred people working around the clock to help with TV ratings. Still, I wouldn't mind being there to watch the process.
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High Quality
Fast Production
Low Cost

Pick two, you can't have all three.



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Originally Posted by 240 LTS View Post
High Quality
Fast Production
Low Cost

Pick two, you can't have all three.



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Sorry, but that's a huge myth propagated by people who want an excuse for not giving their best for the best possible price.

Sooner or later The United States will learn this and start to take pride in their work while doing so for a reasonable wage. Otherwise we'll be sliding downhill even faster.
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Thats allright, we built a 440' liberty ship in less than 5 days!!!!
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Thats allright, we built a 440' liberty ship in less than 5 days!!!!
LOL, yeah in 1942. Might have wanted to include that little nugget.
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Hey, Pete, life is good, the sun is shining, and you're alive... as well as being a Dad. Don't be so cynical all the time!

Remember that saying about the younger generations being so lazy, dumb and likely to go nowhere...and it was written in the Greek times. Things are a lot better than we think.
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Originally Posted by bamaboy473 View Post
Hey, Pete, life is good, the sun is shining, and you're alive... as well as being a Dad. Don't be so cynical all the time!

Remember that saying about the younger generations being so lazy, dumb and likely to go nowhere...and it was written in the Greek times. Things are a lot better than we think.
LOL. You don't live in NJ.
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Originally Posted by the good life View Post
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During my working career, I worked in an area known as the "Chinese Beverly Hills" and saw the workmanship of Chinese architects and contractors. Many shopping centers that cutting corners resulted in construction failures after completion. I can't imagine what this building would be like safety wise.
Built does not mean finished. Although impressive it was only erected in 6 days with 24/7 on site erection work of the structural frame, exterior skin and prefabbed modules.

A lot of interior work on mechanicals still need to be completed.

Good work but not remarkable IMO.
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We need the Chinese to start working at Ground Zero. Nearing 10 years later and what do we have to show for it?
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We need the Chinese to start working at Ground Zero. Nearing 10 years later and what do we have to show for it?
Right On!!!!

EVERYTHING about that event pisses me off. From the BS surrounding the whole event, to the way it was handled during the event, the fake war BS, to the way it is STILL being handled.

I mean come on. 10 years later... and still sitting on the crapper? The entire world is laughing at us in every way possible.

We drove around after 9/11 it plastic flags on our car windows and magnet ribbons made in China professing our love for the USA.

Get real.
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Originally Posted by chrisrack View Post
We need the Chinese to start working at Ground Zero. Nearing 10 years later and what do we have to show for it?
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Right On!!!!

EVERYTHING about that event pisses me off. From the BS surrounding the whole event, to the way it was handled during the event, the fake war BS, to the way it is STILL being handled.

I mean come on. 10 years later... and still sitting on the crapper?
The entire world is laughing at us in every way possible.

We drove around after 9/11 it plastic flags on our car windows and magnet ribbons made in China professing our love for the USA.

Get real.
I'm not in a position to trivialize a custom, a belief or a way of life, but Americans never seem to let a death go. Year after year that death or those deaths are remembered with grieving hearts. Do you not see a pattern here? Why would ground zero be any different?
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Originally Posted by Garett View Post
I'm not in a position to trivialize a custom, a belief or a way of life, but Americans never seem to let a death go. Year after year that death or those deaths are remembered with grieving hearts. Do you not see a pattern here? Why would ground zero be any different?
Garett, I'm with you. And I've been given A LOT of crap for it all my life. I've been told I don't "respect the dead" and all this other bull. I always say, "let's talk about what you did when they were alive." -- that usually shuts them down.

It's very simple, do for the person when they are ALIVE!!! The nonsense where we keep dredging it up over and over and over is totally NOT healthy -- not for a person and not for society. Let it go - move on, and DO.

The problem is that my position is a minority one. People, especially in the US, have a very interesting of death. Don't know how it is where you're at, but here, a person could have $100 to their name, yet they'll go in debt for $10,000 for a funeral... that nobody wants to be at, with money that should be used for the person's kids or something.

"To each their own" I suppose.
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We need the Chinese to start working at Ground Zero. Nearing 10 years later and what do we have to show for it?

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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
Sorry, but that's a huge myth propagated by people who want an excuse for not giving their best for the best possible price.

Sooner or later The United States will learn this and start to take pride in their work while doing so for a reasonable wage. Otherwise we'll be sliding downhill even faster.
Yea, what do I know, I'm only completing my 36th year in commercial construction. Started as a laborer now a site superintendent. I have seen it from a lot of angles.

Quality:
I am not saying that a lot of the people that actually "build" the building do not have pride in their work, they do. There is the other side also. You can not MAKE someone care about what they do. I've tried.

Production:
Time is money and the owner and architects want it done yesterday. Schedules are so tight there isn't any cushion figured in for bad weather, bad drawings, delayed deliveries etc,,,,,

Cost:
It starts with the owners, they want it cheap, to spend as little as possible. I can understand that. I wouldn't want to spend any more than necessary either but remember, the cheapest price isn't always the least expensive.

Remember as Project Managers we need to bring in contractors that will fit in the budget, can man the project and bring it in on time. They ALL sing the same song when when vying for the job. Not all of them can deliver although they say "No Problem".

I agree the attitude of this nations work force needs to change.
I'm sick of dealing with people that do not care.



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