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Anyone have any advice on a good and efficient space heater (or is that an oxymoron)? We have an extension/porch off the back of the house. that is all windows, and sits 12 feet off the ground. Cold air all around. It get very cold. we shut it off from the rest of the house at night, but we want to use it this winter.

Long term I want to get heat pump, but I am looking for a solution that will get me through the next couple winters. I have the oil filled "radiators on wheels" but they draw a ton of power, and don't really give off much heat. I see these baseboard heaters that plug in to the wall, but I hev never been impressed with those.

Room is about 35 x 20.
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why dont you get a small pellet stove and be done with space heaters a ton of pellets here runs about 150 bucks thats enough to last the entire winter
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Love the idea of a stove, but no real place for a permanent stove. The place is literally all windows from about 2 feet up. Awsome space in the spring summer fall, but tough in winter. With three kids, we just need the extra space, so we can't relly block it off.
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Big buddy heater?
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look into floor mounted gas heaters
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Love the idea of a stove, but no real place for a permanent stove. The place is literally all windows from about 2 feet up. Awsome space in the spring summer fall, but tough in winter. With three kids, we just need the extra space, so we can't relly block it off.
700 square feet and you can't find 9 for a pellet stove?;?
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my understanding is that a stove would require a fair amount of offset from the walls, as well as a chimney. Once I start cutting holes in the ceiling, and putting down a floor for the stove, I feel like I am in heat pump territory.

I am looking for a two year of so solution.

Does anyone have any recommendations for an electric space heater that uts of pretty good (and economical) heat. Again, I don't know a thing about them, so they may not exist (they may all suck, or they may all be energy hogs).
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$30-50 for a small ceramic heater shaped like a cube. WalMart or almost any department store has something similiar. Just dont set them on carpet. Don't use a regular household extension cord because they can draw enough juice to melt them.

Those quartz heaters only heat you if you are standing in front of them. The mini radiators can get hot but they have no fan to distribute the heat.

Those electric fire-places look kind of neat. If you don't mind spending a few hundred dollars.

Good luck!
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my understanding is that a stove would require a fair amount of offset from the walls, as well as a chimney. Once I start cutting holes in the ceiling, and putting down a floor for the stove, I feel like I am in heat pump territory.

I am looking for a two year of so solution.

Does anyone have any recommendations for an electric space heater that uts of pretty good (and economical) heat. Again, I don't know a thing about them, so they may not exist (they may all suck, or they may all be energy hogs).
All electric heaters are equally (about 100%) efficient. The quartz ones have the added advantage of heating items in the room including you directly (instead of heating air and hoping it circulates to where you are).

These miracle heaters and fireplaces and such are basically the same 15 dollar 120 v 1500/800 watt heater you buy in Walllyworld with low and high settings. You are paying for looks.

Some other heaters may have a mass that heats up and it may feel better as it tempers the on / off of other heaters.

Note: 100% efficient means once the electricity gets into the device - all of it turns to heat energy when you use it. But remember electricity still may be the most expensive heat source due to the very large inefficiencies in production and distribution

For less than 50 bucks you can get a good quartz heater at Walmart and if you want to go pure restsiatance coil heat with a fan they can be had for 15 bucks or so.

Many people in your situation use gas or kerosene heaters . Personally I do not like anything that vents inside the house no matter how efficint due to a variety potentially harmful emissions and oxygen dispalcement. You are right about the electric ones sucking $$$$ in most uses.
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Check out this window... pellet stove heater.

http://www.oldfashionheat.com/ashley1.jpg
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http://www.amazon.com/Heater-MH18B-P.../dp/B0002WRHE8
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Grunt is correct. By definition, 1kwh is 3314 btu. Period. Nichrome wire, quartz doohickey, "radiant" heaters..that's ALL you're gonna get.

Bob Vila is hawking some fancy snake-oil gizmo now. They're ALL THE SAME!
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Maybe this? (LP or natural gas)

http://www.woodstove.com/index.php/mini-franklin
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Heat Surge Roll and Glow Fireplace.

http://www.heatsurge.com/

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/hom...ts-review.html

Eden Pure

http://www.as-seen-on-tv-compare.com/edenpure.php

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keyw...&index=blended

youtube - Eden Pure test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8A3vD7T3-I

How Eden Pure (or any of them) can claim to heat the room without drying the air is beyond me.

Good luck, let us know what way you decide to go.
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my understanding is that a stove would require a fair amount of offset from the walls, as well as a chimney. Once I start cutting holes in the ceiling, and putting down a floor for the stove, I feel like I am in heat pump territory.

I am looking for a two year of so solution.

Does anyone have any recommendations for an electric space heater that uts of pretty good (and economical) heat. Again, I don't know a thing about them, so they may not exist (they may all suck, or they may all be energy hogs).
I would suggest you contact the heat pump people for a free quote and an estimate on what to expect your energy costs to be to keep that room comfortable. I'd reccommend blue dot they are not high pressure sales and should tell you like it is.

My guess is, you're in for a big surprise.
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Hello everyone, New to this forum. Been space heating my tiara 270 for several years with a cheap little plastic 1500 watter! Don't try this at home ,but I have been successfull in new england with regular monitering for about 5 winters with same heater. Keeps boat at about 33 deg. for 100 u.s. per mo. Hard to justfy, but when its 15 at nite Above Freezing feels good! Just picked up a tiara 4000 and put a little ceramic tower that ossilates and that seems to be a nice little heater. Home Cheapo for 34 u.s. Not currently running that one round the clock yet,still waiting on insurance! Would not mind some kind of little pellet unit for that one?
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What Grunt said, electric is electric with the exception of a heat pump. What's the existing heat in the house?
Do the windows open? Double hung? You can buy a window heat pump.
Nothing you do will be inexpensive if the room is not energy efficient, windows, insulation, etc.
You will probably still want this area to be on it's own zone, even if you put in a new whole house system.
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To heat 700 square feet your gonna need more than a little ceramic heater, especially if it is not well insulated.

There are free standing ventless stoves that have safety features built in. Or, there are direct vent models that require a small hole in the wall, not the roof.

I would look at gas appliances myself.
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Originally Posted by cjd View Post
my understanding is that a stove would require a fair amount of offset from the walls, as well as a chimney. Once I start cutting holes in the ceiling, and putting down a floor for the stove, I feel like I am in heat pump territory.

I am looking for a two year of so solution.

Does anyone have any recommendations for an electric space heater that uts of pretty good (and economical) heat. Again, I don't know a thing about them, so they may not exist (they may all suck, or they may all be energy hogs).

the pellet stove my buddy has vents out like a dryer he doesnt have a chimney flue on it like a wood burning stove he has a Harman acentra he doesnt have a backsplash or anything on the wall just sits on his tile floor

http://www.harmanstoves.com/products...V&nav=overview
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Thanks guys.

Great info, as I knew it would be. I might go down the heat pump road, as I have done some research, and it looks like the electric bill will quickly dwarf the cost of the unit.

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