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Old 11-04-2010, 07:38 AM
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I'm thinking of getting back into the ice fishing game along with curing some winter doldrums. At any rate, I'm looking at a 2001 Skidoo MXZ 500 that I can get for $1500. It has about 1800 miles on it and appears to be very well cared for (I couldn't find any scratches or tears in the seat and the track looks new). My questions are 1. Is this a decent sled? and 2. Will this sled suffice for a larger guy or two people? I don';t intend on setting any land speed records, but would like to have some power if need be. Thanks for your thoughts!

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It would be very anemic w/two riders or even one big guy. It`s a trail sled and doesn`t perform well in the deep stuff. I`ve always looked at any sled w/1000 miles or more as a timebomb.
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That sled is going to be a slug. It's also a beginner trail sled and is not going to perform very well in what you're going to ask it to do. It's not a long track so you can forget putting two people on it.

The best sled going for what you want to do is the Arctic Cat Bear Cat. A true work horse that will be at home pulling you and a trailer sled with all your ice gear on it. They are so good they hold their value better than most.

If you are going to be riding it outside of ice fishing duties I'd be looking at a 600cc engine or a 700. I can't give a lot of advise on 4 strokes as I've only rode one. The Yamaha 1200 cc pulled great to about 80MPH then laid down for the rest of the run.

I don't agree for a second that 1000 miles starts the time bomb clock. For years we rode like a pack of wild dogs running 300 miles a day. At that rate I would have needed a new sled after the first weekend!! I ran my SRX triple for 5800 hard miles and sold it running perfect. It was far from stock, very fast, and gave me a lot of great memories throughout northern Maine and Canada. It never blew up

In 2003 I bought a Polaris 800 XC with the M-10 ride. I hated that sled. I went back to an old school machine, a Ski Doo Mach 1 triple/triple and I'm in love again. It's heavy, worse when buried deep, doesn't have a great ride in the rough stuff, but lacks the vibration of the 2 cylinder engines so common these days. I ride on wide groomed trails and avoid the weekend crowds. If I do a weekend ride I get up early in the morning, and I'm back around 1000/1030 with a quick 120 miles under my belt. Most everyone else is rubbing the sand from their eyes.

I'm also now too old to crash.

There's a lot of good sleds out there and a lot of deals to be had. Don't be quick to part with a buck.
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I would look at a four stroke for ice fishing. Easy to start, less warm up time, no smoke, and much less noise. The four strokes are always the first picked when we're up at the cabin.

A buddy had a couple Ski-Doo's and they were both next to impossible to start if not kept in the garage.
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Great insight guys. Thank you!
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Originally Posted by Jeff42899 View Post
Great insight guys. Thank you!
Sounds like you're looking for what they call a 'Two Up' (2 passengers) in 600 or 700cc, with a studded track.

How are your local trails or will you trailer for trail riding?
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Forget the zx or s chassis sleds, especially for 2 people. Go with a rev or so chassis skidoo. It will be a lot more comfortable, even for short rides.
For what it's worth.... that 500 is a snotty little machine that makes one hell of a ditchbanger alot of fun to be had,just not for 2 people. Many ice fishermen use utility sleds like the skandik or a touring (2 up) model like the legend.
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Originally Posted by cedarholm View Post
Sounds like you're looking for what they call a 'Two Up' (2 passengers) in 600 or 700cc, with a studded track.

How are your local trails or will you trailer for trail riding?
I live on the water where I'll be fishing, so for that, it'll be pulling out of the garage and down onto the ice. I really have no idea in regards to trail riding. I've been considering trailering to the UP because I hear it's the place to be, but have no real plans. The thoughts on the 2 people issue is that my son likes to fish with me as well, but hasn't ice fished at all. I quit years ago right after he was born and sold / gave away all my gear (*sigh*). For safety reasons alone, speed is a bad idea on Lake Erie as the ice changes regularly. My last sled was a Kaw 440 if that gives you an idea of how long it's been
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Oh and go with at least 600CCs. My wife weighs 110 and owns a 600. Be sure you have the track studded if you're going to ride on the ice. You can also take your questions to DOOTALK.COM. Great wealth of knowledge there. (Skidoo only please)
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Join and post up on www.dootalk.com, it is THT for Ski Doo owners.

That is a good price for that sled. People forget quick that not long ago, a big powerful sled was a 380 or a 440 cc machine. That liquid cooled 500cc twin has plenty of power for 1 rider.

If you are just going to want to get someone, who is not that big, out to the holes for ice fishing, no problem. If you want to ride 5-10 miles or more on some trails, no way as the seat and riding position are for 1 rider. Put a kid on your lap and ride around on the lake, again, no problem.

I have a 2004 600cc Carbureted REV with over 9,000 since new and had a re-ring and one new piston put in at 6,000 miles. I'm good for another 3,000 or so miles before I need to have it done again.

Looking at the picture, that sled looks to be in great shape as I see no signs of rust anywhere at all.
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Originally Posted by thundra View Post
Join and post up on www.dootalk.com, it is THT for Ski Doo owners.

That is a good price for that sled. People forget quick that not long ago, a big powerful sled was a 380 or a 440 cc machine. That liquid cooled 500cc twin has plenty of power for 1 rider.

If you are just going to want to get someone, who is not that big, out to the holes for ice fishing, no problem. If you want to ride 5-10 miles or more on some trails, no way as the seat and riding position are for 1 rider. Put a kid on your lap and ride around on the lake, again, no problem.

I have a 2004 600cc Carbureted REV with over 9,000 since new and had a re-ring and one new piston put in at 6,000 miles. I'm good for another 3,000 or so miles before I need to have it done again.

Looking at the picture, that sled looks to be in great shape as I see no signs of rust anywhere at all.
Thank you for the insight. The price seems good to me too based on other things I'm seeing. It's not advertised for sale and is from a friend. The service was all done by a dealer (not sure if that's good or bad) and I literally could not find a scratch on it. This was the "hers" part of a his / hers set.
If my son ends up on my lap something went horribly wrong. He's 6'1" 220lbs. Sounds like I need to decide how I'm going to use it and how much I'm willing to limit myself. Guess I could always put him on the pulled sled with the gear....
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Originally Posted by Jeff42899 View Post
Thank you for the insight. The price seems good to me too based on other things I'm seeing. It's not advertised for sale and is from a friend. The service was all done by a dealer (not sure if that's good or bad) and I literally could not find a scratch on it. This was the "hers" part of a his / hers set.
If my son ends up on my lap something went horribly wrong. He's 6'1" 220lbs. Sounds like I need to decide how I'm going to use it and how much I'm willing to limit myself. Guess I could always put him on the pulled sled with the gear....

Get 2!
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$1,500 for a buddies 2001 sled that has that many miles on it is a great deal. Those sleds are tough and those motors are just as tough. Sometimes it is really good to buy something from friend that is a known quantity, especially if it was the wife's sled. My buddy has had a 2004 sled since new that doesn't even have 900 miles on it and no rust anywhere. They are tough those things.

People forget that there are still fan cooled 380cc or even 500cc sleds that are made for 2 passengers/2-up and that not all the maniacs on the trails need to go 45+ mph on the trails. I know everyone is different but for a single rider who is not out trying to ride 100-300 miles in a day, it is just fine.

Son is too big for 2 up. Get him or have him buy his own sled or find another cheap sled as they are just so cheap nowadays. That ZX chassis 500 in the picture is similar to the Polaris Indy 500 that has been around forever and is still using the same Fuji 500cc liquid cooled motor as it works, is reliable, doesn't suck the gas and is easy to work on if need be.

That thing will pull your son with all the gear no problem as I see the trail maintenance sleds pulling the grooming drags with fan cooled 380cc motors.

Here is some of my perspective;

I rode a 1000cc streetbike, I rode a CR500R dirtbike and had 2 of them at one time but, I have a 600cc snowmobile because after lots of miles trying out friends 800cc machines, they really are way too fast whereas I had no problem throttling a 500cc 2-stroke dirtbike.

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Get 2!
That was my next thought. I could pick another up cheap for him / guests. It certainly wouldn't need to be anything fancy. Great info here.
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We have a Polaris 500 Indy trail machine and it works quite well for us, on the trails. When we get off-trail, they sink like a rock and are heavy as he!!. It should work great for you and, if you can, just get another one for your son. If he ever rode double with you, he will thank you for getting a second one, there's not a lot of room on the seat for two people.
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Originally Posted by Jeff42899 View Post
That was my next thought. I could pick another up cheap for him / guests. It certainly wouldn't need to be anything fancy. Great info here.
Two on the ice is safer anyways.

One 2-up and the one above.

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As most of the die-hard/hardcore/serious snowmobilers have gone to all the newest/latest and greatest rider-forward sleds, (they really are that good and keep getting better like outboard motors), there are TONS of the "ass over the rear axle" sleds like that MXZ out there for sale and cheap. Finding those wife/2nd sleds that hardly got used, but used just enough, but in great shape, is the trick. I see them for sale everywhere as not many new riders have been getting into the sport so there is just about no demand for them and the prices for them are low.

I'd buy that sled and put 1,500-2,500 miles on it this upcoming winter doing nothing but putting injection oil into the reservoir and gas in the gas tank. I'd take that thing and ride 100-150 mile days/nights, easy, easy and fun. Those machines are tough.

Go another 10 years out of that sled, easy, putting nothing but gas and oil in it and have a great time in the winter. Snowmobiling is my off-season/no boating "Season Accelerator", before I know it, March/April will be around and it will be time for the boat again.

Season here in NH starts December 15th.


Look forward to your posting your first pictures on it this winter.

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