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Old 11-04-2010, 04:16 AM
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I'm concidering installing a water softener, sort of like an early Christmans gift to the house/ Misses. Aside from what they do is all I know about them.

What do I need to know? Do the high end models have bells and whistles on them that are more money but not worth the feature? Who makes a good one?
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The most important features are capacity, flow rate,electric , non electric, single tank vs twin tanks.The twin tank is 24 hour soft water and the single tanks regenerate sometime in the middle of the night depending on you.The kinnetico although pricy, is the most efficient system around all others are a distant follower.It has no timer and is non electric.Uses the least amounts of salt and water to regenerate, and has a longer warranty.It is a set it and forget it system ,culligan,eco, fleck, clack, autotrol,all function the same way and use upto 150 gallons of water to regenerate.The new kennetico systems use about 18 gallons for the household units!Based on how hard the water is, the kennetico switches back and forth between the two tanks.It does not go off line.Not that big a deal unless you use water while the other systems are cleaning them selves, or you have a leaky hose, toilet etc.Thats like using water.If you use water while going through a cleaning cycle you get untreated water into the house during that period of time.You also need to reset timers ,replace computor boards,and learn the cycle settings.If you don't want to be bothered the kennetico is the one for you.If you want to be bothered and save about 1000.00 dollars ,up front ,but pay it out in usage costs and repairs along the way, get any of the others.I sell both kinds and used to for Culligan as well.This is just the straight info.
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So kinnetico is not a brand name but a feature?
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It's a brand name, non electric and twin tanks.
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Ok, Kinetico......9:00 Saturday morning I've got a guy coming out to give us the spill and test our water. Thanks

edit: would you mind if I gave you a call? You can PM me your name and phone number.
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Ok, Kinetico......9:00 Saturday morning I've got a guy coming out to give us the spill and test our water. Thanks
How deep is your well?

We're thinking of going deeper, down to the artesian water that's much better.
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The point is down about 20' and that is into good clean artesian water. About the only thing I need to contend with is a water hardness about 23. I say this based off of what my neighboring farms are using.
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Did all the research looking for the big items (capacity, flow rate, etc.) and I purchased a Kenmore (Sears) Elite 420. Keep in mind I live in Texas which has very hard water and have a household of 4+ and it keeps up no problem.

Put 4 bags of salt in at installation. At 14 months, put another 3 bags of salt in and recently (around 20 months) put 4 bags in and topped it all the way. So we go through about a bag about every 2+ months which is pretty darn good as far as I was concerned.

Cost was a 1/4 of the "professional" units and I did the install myself. $580.
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At three bags a year, you might want to test your water for hardness,does not sound even close with that many people using water. A bag MONTH, more like it.If yo installed it check ...if it has a meter if it tells you how much water you use between regenerations.I'm curious.
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Garett - get the cheapest one you can find.



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1NO Regrets - The Kenmore is VERY efficient, I was surrpised to say the least. It's set on "18" out of 24 being for the hardest water/most softening. I bought it because my neighbor (who deals with water issues in businesses) recommended and had it in his house. It only recharges once a week or until the water usage limit is reached in which case it will run that night (2 AM).

It might be a little more usage but not much.. Again, very efficient!
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I'm concidering installing a water softener, sort of like an early Christmans gift to the house/ Misses.
You didn't learn a lesson when you got her that new vacuum cleaner for her birthday? ;?
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Any concerns on a water softners effect on a septic system?
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Any concerns on a water softners effect on a septic system?
I think they recommend using Potassium instead of salt so it doesn't kill the benificial microbes (or the grass!).
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Originally Posted by 1NO REGRETS View Post
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Are you saying that water softener backwash brine is OK to be discharged into a septic tank?

We have the Delta DF50 septic system with the secondary aerobic bubbler tank.

Brine OK?
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No one should put the backwash directly into septic, a french drain is reserved for that, separate from the septic.
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Originally Posted by LI Sound Grunt View Post
Garett - get the cheapest one you can find.



I'll take that under good advisement Bob, after all it is coming from a good freind.
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My Culligan empties in to the septic system and no problems for over 30 years now--and it's still the original system from when the house was built. I do make it a point to use a septic tank additive monthly however.
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Erie Skipper, I know and you know it's done "all the time" but in reality, if there was a problem with the septic, the first words out of your septic guys mouth would be.................................Culligans fault, or whom evers fault.So yes if all is working "well" pun intended, it won't matter as long as you add the bacteria that the salt is killing back in.

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