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Old 11-03-2010, 10:19 AM
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Default Home Depot LED [120v home] recessed light replacements - really impressed!

Just picked up 4 of these from HD to try out in my recessed light cans:

http://www.creeledlighting.com/produ...ights/CR6.aspx

To my great surprise I'm very impressed with them out of the box. They were $50 apiece but the light is very even and white, they include the "light trim" itself for a recessed can, and they dim from 20%-100% without flickering unlike some of the CFL bulbs I tried which dimmed more like 50%-100% and flickered at the low end.

I literally just stuck them in my ceiling but if they can hold up over time these things look great!

BTW: These are sold to fit in 6" cans but worked great in my 5" remodel cans. Stupid me I already bought all my 5" trims at $15 a pop but if you subtract that, these lights are pretty affordable.
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At 50 bucks a pop they can stay on the shelf.
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Originally Posted by Mist-Rest View Post
At 50 bucks a pop they can stay on the shelf.

But why? They are green and if you are paying .12 per kwh then it will only take a few hundred years before they pay for themselves.
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Originally Posted by Mist-Rest View Post
At 50 bucks a pop they can stay on the shelf.
Maybe not - most led's are rated at 50,000-100,000 hrs of use. Not sure about these, but if they are, they should far out last the standard bulbs we use now, which, if memory serves, I pay @ $4 each anyway. That, and led's draw a fraction of the current incandescents do.

One day, not to far away, all the lights in our houses will be led...
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I am not sure if I understand the $50? I put the low wattage flourescent or whatever they call them for $8 or so and love them plus electricity usage went way down.
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Do they make your eggs look green like the compact flourescents?

They are not banning the indandescents in the 49 states are they? If so I am stocking up for my kitchen so the food doesn't look like toxic waste.

I still have the original incandescent bulbs in all but 2 of my home's recessed fixtures and they are 20 years old.

I didn't pay 50 bucks for my wife's engagement ring....YIKES!
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High cost LED's, what a crock. Very old technology. I remember when I was a kid (1970's or 80's) walking around hamfest's (flea market for amateur radio operators) with my dad and seeing plastic bags full of all different color LED's. You could get a bag with hundreds in it for a few dollars. The high price is purely demand, there is no supply or R & D costs driving the price up. Sure they are higher intensity now, big whoop. ;?
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Jury is still out for me on this. We work with commercial lighting. LED technology is changing daily.

In some limited applications LED lights have their place. However, to match lumen output of similar fluorescent fixtures often degrades the life of the LED system...packaging information is often misleading on this. Also, where higher levels are needed the lumens per watt of LED systems is often not the best.

For residential use, in my own house we switched to fluorescent and I have not seen a notable change in utility bills. In addition fluorescent lamps have mercury, which presents an environmental concern outside of energy.

I am not advocating any one form, but with the constantly changing technology an LED replacement may not be the best idea...yet. Similar to DVD players, digital cameras, etc as time goes on LED systems will be refined, increase in efficiency and decrease in price.

The lowest hanging fruits on saving energy and money are still properly insulating your home (you can probably do this for less than replacing all incandescents with LEDs), turning OFF lights and appliances when not needed, insulate HVAC ductwork, upgrade HVAC systems if they are older and installing programmable thermostats.

Next...unplug all those little transformers when not in use (cell phone chargers, etc).

Once all this is done then start considering things like retrofits to LEDs, etc. Yes lighting can create HUGE savings in large facilities where they are on 8-24 hours a day but I bet $50 per lamp will never pay for itself in a typical home.
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Originally Posted by FishOn162 View Post
Jury is still out for me on this. We work with commercial lighting. .
Have you found any CFs that do not change the color of food and have the same warm glow of incandescents?

Also I would add for energy - just a few degrees on the thermostats and not heating the house while we are gone has made a 50% reduction in oil usage for us over the years. Our large South facing windows and doors with Insulating window shades (we have these accordian looking things with two layers and air space between - forget the name) have also made a difference. Hard to believe those milliamp 12 or so volt transformers can add much but I have heard that before....
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Most of your incandescents go bye-bye in 2014 I think.
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Most of your incandescents go bye-bye in 2014 I think.
You are correct. The other thing you also need to take into consideration with the LEDs is that you dont have the heat like an incandescent. A 60 w lamp produces alot of heat and if you multiply that by the amount in your house it will raise the temp in your house the same way the temp goes up when you have a room full of guests. at some point in the near future they will become the standard.
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GE makes an led bulb that goes in your existing R-30 or R-40 cans. 10 watts equals 90 watts for about $40.00 a piece. Absolutely no heat off of them and my eggs aren't green.
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Originally Posted by baypro21 View Post
High cost LED's, what a crock. Very old technology. I remember when I was a kid (1970's or 80's) walking around hamfest's (flea market for amateur radio operators) with my dad and seeing plastic bags full of all different color LED's. You could get a bag with hundreds in it for a few dollars. The high price is purely demand, there is no supply or R & D costs driving the price up. Sure they are higher intensity now, big whoop. ;?
Incorrect. The old LED tech you're referring to is not the same tech as today's lights. The diodes come in varying degrees of light and they cheaper, poorer quality diodes can usually be found in the 3 dollar flash lights and key chains you find at the gas station.

LED tech has come a long way and Cree is no joke with theirs. They are leaders in the industry and the light do offer some great advsantages.
  • The main advantage is the longevity of the light. They last for decades in cases.
  • They are more efficient that an traditional incandescent, but not much more than a CFL. I suspect that will change over time, but for now the difference is not much.
  • The color spectrum is much better than that offered by CFL's.

If you're looking for a maintaince free solution for that vaulted ceiling, or 30ft pitched living room roof than this is it, but if you're looking to save a ton of money by switching from CFL's to LED's it wont happen.
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$50 light bulb....... I think I'll go fill the attic with $25 cases of light bulbs and bask in the warm glow of my old school bulbs. With the shorter days and the cold MN winters, the heat being a byproduct is a good thing.
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Originally Posted by bumster View Post
You are correct. The other thing you also need to take into consideration with the LEDs is that you dont have the heat like an incandescent. A 60 w lamp produces alot of heat and if you multiply that by the amount in your house it will raise the temp in your house the same way the temp goes up when you have a room full of guests. at some point in the near future they will become the standard.
So......... for the next 6 months I would use less natural gas to heat my home? I kinda like that idea. Maybe I'll switch summer and winter..... oh wait. Nevernind. I won't have that choice. My heater-bulbs will be illegal. Good thing thing the gubbament will be here to save me from making such a poor decision!

Bum..... not directed at you at all. I just have a real problem with folks telling me what's good for me.
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I still have the original incandescent bulbs in all but 2 of my home's recessed fixtures and they are 20 years old.
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I gotta get some of those - seems like I am replacing the smaller ones in my kitchen ceiling all the time, and it adds up.
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So......... for the next 6 months I would use less natural gas to heat my home? I kinda like that idea. Maybe I'll switch summer and winter..... oh wait. Nevernind. I won't have that choice. My heater-bulbs will be illegal. Good thing thing the gubbament will be here to save me from making such a poor decision!

Bum..... not directed at you at all. I just have a real problem with folks telling me what's good for me.
No worries. I am in the business and I dont have LEDs in my recessed fixtures. I dont pay 50.00 each for them but to this day I have not found one either here or overseas that works as claimed. The biggest issue for me is beam spread. the LEDs are bright but the beam spread is not close to the floods I have in place. Another poster said something about the savings soI feel compelled to respond. The savings on home energy is like tuning a dragster. Once you have done all the big things such as high efficiancy AC and appliances everything else is basically 1/10's of a second and like drag racing,If you do 10 of those you go from 4.9 in the 1/4 to 3.9. I had a friend come over and check the pressure in my AC and he bled 150PSI out and my bill dropped over 100.00 for the month. Granted the last guy overcharged the system but it still ran and it still cooled the house but it was also over working the compressor. No one is going to save hundreds of dollars a year by changing a few lamps but if you do the lamps and other upgrades it does pay off. Look at the difference on the energy guides on appliances and the differnece between eff. and non eff is only 100.00 per year in most cases.
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I'll wait till they're available at the 99 cents store in a few years. They already have those CFL bulbs.
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If you buy 130 volt bulbs they have a much higher hours of service rating.

LEDs do have there place.
I am working on a full remodel in Manhattan. LED cove lighting worked out to 200 bucks a foot. Too bad I needed 125 feet.
I bought ALL the stock as in master and remote dimmers, Tech Lighting track, heads, stand offs, xformers, LED under counter lighting and Lightolier cans w/ trims for 32K


LED's place will remain on the shelf except for the under cab stuff.
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Originally Posted by Mist-Rest View Post
If you buy 130 volt bulbs they have a much higher hours of service rating.

LEDs do have there place.
I am working on a full remodel in Manhattan. LED cove lighting worked out to 200 bucks a foot. Too bad I needed 125 feet.
I bought ALL the stock as in master and remote dimmers, Tech Lighting track, heads, stand offs, xformers, LED under counter lighting and Lightolier cans w/ trims for 32K


LED's place will remain on the shelf except for the under cab stuff.
200.00 a foot? JESUS! I hope you got RGBs with programming and have it tied to a crestron or some other remote control system. Next time you have an LED project let me know. I still do residential LEDs and Fiberoptics
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