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Old 10-30-2010, 09:46 PM
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Default Dealership sells truck to PJ clad elderly man with dementia...ends in death.

This story is beyond belief.

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That story is eerily similar to an experience we had in our family.

About 10 years ago, my Uncle walked into a dealership that he knew the salesman and traded a vehicle in for a new one. He was wearing one shoe! We had reports that he was driving on the wrong side of the road and we found him shaving half his face. Unknown to us, he had Brain Cancer.

And still they sold him a brand new vehicle and took his old one in on trade. Not surprising, they severely ripped him off.

He passed away a few weeks later and while I was going over his financials, I noticed the whole deal. So I took off for the dealership to get my two cents worth from the salesman and owner.

After an embarrassing scene in the parking lot between me and 3 or 4 salesman, they threatened me with calling the cops and demanded I leave, which I finally did before going to jail.

A day later, the owner of the dealership called another family member and offered a solution. "Why don't you let the car go back to the bank so you don't have to deal with it". So I call the bank and ask "what happens to the car if we do this"? Bank tells me that the dealership that sold the car gets first crack at it for dealer wholesale.

We didn't give the dealer a chance to rip us off again, we sold it privately.

That was over 10 years ago, and still today, it takes every ounce of restraint not to firebomb that sonofabitch and his dealership when I drive by.

We found out he had one shoe on because a salesman there told me!

I hate car dealers, (no disrespect to honest guys on here) but these slugs will whore their mother for a car sale.

I regret not taking a pound of flesh, the short jail stint would have been a walk in the park considering the hate I harbor for years.
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Wow both stories are unbelievable. Vulchers.
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Originally Posted by Mike Boehler View Post
That story is eerily similar to an experience we had in our family.

About 10 years ago, my Uncle walked into a dealership that he knew the salesman and traded a vehicle in for a new one. He was wearing one shoe! We had reports that he was driving on the wrong side of the road and we found him shaving half his face. Unknown to us, he had Brain Cancer.

And still they sold him a brand new vehicle and took his old one in on trade. Not surprising, they severely ripped him off.

He passed away a few weeks later and while I was going over his financials, I noticed the whole deal. So I took off for the dealership to get my two cents worth from the salesman and owner.

After an embarrassing scene in the parking lot between me and 3 or 4 salesman, they threatened me with calling the cops and demanded I leave, which I finally did before going to jail.

A day later, the owner of the dealership called another family member and offered a solution. "Why don't you let the car go back to the bank so you don't have to deal with it". So I call the bank and ask "what happens to the car if we do this"? Bank tells me that the dealership that sold the car gets first crack at it for dealer wholesale.

We didn't give the dealer a chance to rip us off again, we sold it privately.

That was over 10 years ago, and still today, it takes every ounce of restraint not to firebomb that sonofabitch and his dealership when I drive by.

We found out he had one shoe on because a salesman there told me!

I hate car dealers, (no disrespect to honest guys on here) but these slugs will whore their mother for a car sale.

I regret not taking a pound of flesh, the short jail stint would have been a walk in the park considering the hate I harbor for years.
That is horrible. I would feel much better reading it if you would have broke the owners nose! Did you consider writing to the local newspapers and putting up signs/billboards about the dealership? I have seen people do that. I saw people one day standing outside a dealership with signs.
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Originally Posted by KJS View Post
I would feel much better reading it if you would have broke the owners nose!
I would have felt better writing it as well. Had my Mom (her brother) in mind when I left without my satisfaction. And truth be told, I would not have been satisfied doing that either, it just sounds better.
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I had a Ford Stealership saleman tell me during the sales pitch he had two sons that are marines fighting in Iraq etc....

So....after I told the saleman I would think about, I came to discover this salesman did not have any children..

It was a very sad day for this individual when I called him out..I had to do it over the phone cause i was affraid i was gonna punch this fat slop in the face..

After brief silence over the phone...He said he was talking about his two nephews...

Just one lie after the next....

I actually felt sorry (very little) for this said human being..

Bottom line Sales-people,,,

'you can bullchit a chitter, but you cant bullchit a bullchitter'

'movie quote' you fuked with the wrong Marine!
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These things happen all the time My late father was suffring from dementia call a honda dealer and ordered the car over the phone.Thank God my brother knew the owner because the car was to be deliverd the next day.
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Can someone get temporary dementia? ;? I wouldn't mind a new boat, a new truck wouldn't kill me either, hmmmm what else would I like?
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Garret, if I may suggest a big freakin' LCD TV, mmmmm 82"...
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Originally Posted by KJS View Post
I saw people one day standing outside a dealership with signs.








With the right kind of "people" and on the right day, that just might work!

In fact, I know for a fact that it did... At least once! (insider, first hand knowledge)


A single mom went down to a local Ford dealer on a saturday and purchased a used car. It was a semi-beater, but it was all that she could afford (it was one of those "bone-yard" cars that the dealer used as bait to get low priced buyers in). She paid cash for it. It was sold as-is, with no warranty.

Two days later, it broke down. Major engine problem. A friend of hers helped her have it towed back to the dealership. The service people blew her off, since it wasn't a Ford product and there was no warranty.

She complained to the salesman, who also blew her off. The sales MGR did as well. Finally, she got to the GM. He also told her that it was a done-deal and that it was HER problem (he was known as a jerk to begin with). Heck, the dealership had a bad rep for years, so this shouldn't have been a surprise... The owner wasn't much better.

She couldn't afford to have it repaired and since she tried to ruffle feathers over it and stirred up some chit, the service dept literally pushed her car out onto the street (legal parking space) and left it there for her to take at her "convenience". Supposedly, it was the GM that told them to push it off their lot.

Well, she just happened to be the sister of a well known biker group that let's say, doesn't follow the law too well... She evidently went to her brother asking for help.

Just as a coincidence, the dealership was having a huge promotional sale that next weekend. They had In & Out Burger scheduled to be there giving out free burgers, some clowns, etc... You know, the usual dog & pony show type stuff.

The dealership opened up as usual on saturday morning at 9am. All the "promotional" festivities were just getting under way when the single mother was brought up to the showroom floor door on the back of a bike and once again asked the GM for her refund. He blew her off again!

Shortly thereafter (literally minutes), about TWO DOZEN outlaw biker looking dudes showed up and planted themselves at each entrance to the dealership!

The NIMROD GM told his crew to not worry about them and to just go along with business as usual and sell some cars!!!

The bikers would stare down anyone that tried to pull into an entrance. They would time it so they would walk across the driveway (on the sidewalk) when a car tried to pull in and then would just stand there in front of the car, looking at the driver and then pointing to them to leave.

Two hours later and no one was on the lot! The In & Out Burger van was sitting there with no one to give burgers to (except for the bikers!!! ). The clowns were sitting in the showroom not being very funny. Salesmen were smoking, but not joking... It was a disaster!!!

Finally, the owner of the dealership unexpectedly pulled up and saw the bikers and what was going on. He pulled onto the lot and parked in his usual space in the back. By the time he walked into the showroom, the GM was standing there sweating bullets! When the owner asked what the "F" was going on, the GM had to spill the beans.

Thirty minutes later, the single mom had her refund (in cash) and was on her way. The outlaw bikers also left, but only after another round of burgers!!!


I have actually been to the Cabral's dealership in the OP's story. They are a Jeep dealer and when I was shopping for a Jeep for my son, I stopped by there since I always hear their ads on the radio. I wasn't too impressed with what I saw...

Sounds like they will be in some hot water over this one...
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I have involved in these types of issues. A woman of color traded her recently deceased husbands van in to purchase a car. This is not unusual situation happens with some frequency. What got odd was one of her kids shows up and says my mother can't purchase the vehicle (after she signs all the paper work and takes delivery) and has power of attorney from their mother. The mother comes in with her child. One of the first things the child says is mom is spending all her the daughters money and there will be none left for the kids. Red Flag for me. I ask to speak to the mother alone. I ask her do you want to bring the car back? She reaffirms she does not want her husbands "ugly ass Van". I ask her are you sure you want to keep this car she again says yes. I tell her you do know what your children are going to do to me right? She again says yes and she feels sorry for me. She got up left me and went home leaving the daughter to wail and cry in my office. A couple of things to note here. I am NOT going to take a black persons car back against her will period. The owner who came in (not in pj's or one shoe) and was totally lucid. The POA means only one thing in my state you can sign for the other person period. You do not have any control over their lives. Bad situation developed between her children and me. Funny thing is the children called the police on me because I asked them to leave the store. Explained to the police what went down and they left. The next visit was from another child who said he was a minister and I had ripped of his mother. Again went through the whole thing on what I had done and he calls the police on me with same results. They then have the car towed to the store. I have the car towed back to the rightful owner. Just ponder this if I took a car back from a person of color who had a valid contract after she told me she wanted it.

The next one is easier. This time the person was suffering from something hell we are not Md's we sell cars for a living. And believe me people of the general public can be weird. But this person was over the top weird. Asked if he had anyone that lived with him or family. He said yes. We called them and they came and picked him and his car up and took him back home.

So you see there can be all sides to any story. But I don't think anyone working for me goes to a mental hospital and picks up someone and sells them a vehicle and keeps working for me. Nor would anyone who touched the deal. They all know this and the problem get to me fast.

Just food for thought are any you so confident in your abilities to read some one's mental state that you can pass judgement on any transaction other than the two that were given here by other posters?

AB I worked for a store that had a bone yard. We took pictures of the people holding a sign standing next to the junker that said AS IS NO WARRANTY. Is that clear enough that the piece of crap you sold them is a piece of crap. The other thing was they had to have the vehicle towed off the lot on their dime. You see if you sell a car and let the people drive it off the lot "as is" you just implied fitness and merchantability of the product. And poof the car has a warranty no motorcycle gang needed.

I won't sell a car "as is" nor will I sell one with a 30 day 50l50 warranty. So that takes about 15 to 20 sales from the store a month because I only have expensive used cars. I won't deal in the bottom of the market. IE nothing under about $8000 is hardly ever retailed by me the store I work for.

Not defending anything here just giving examples of the "other side" of a "stealership".
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Originally Posted by Mr. Paul View Post
You see if you sell a car and let the people drive it off the lot "as is" you just implied fitness and merchantability of the product. And poof the car has a warranty no motorcycle gang needed.

I won't deal in the bottom of the market. IE nothing under about $8000 is hardly ever retailed by me the store I work for.

Not defending anything here just giving examples of the "other side" of a "stealership".








Wow, talk about being in between a rock and a hard place! I can just hear jesse jackson getting that phone call!!!

Sounds to me like you did the right thing.



I agree with the "bone yard" principle. Sadly, the folks that mostly buy those vehicles are usually the same ones that can't afford to run and/or maintain them. When something happens, they look for the "money". In most cases, the "money" turns out to be the place that sold it to them...

The only thing that I did agree with that Ford dealer GM guy was the fact that he would stand by a promise that was made, no matter what they made (or didn't make) off the deal ($$$). If the salesman promised floor mats, he would get the floor mats, etc.... Some places would forget the customer as soon as the taillights were out of sight...

"If it isn't in writing, it never existed" type of thing.


And thanks for chiming in on another automotive thread. I don't blame you for being hesitant (for obvious reasons)... Your honesty shines thru with your reported scenarios.

If only more automotive dealerships had folks like you at the helm...
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Originally Posted by ABoater View Post
With the right kind of "people" and on the right day, that just might work!

In fact, I know for a fact that it did... At least once! (insider, first hand knowledge)


A single mom went down to a local Ford dealer on a saturday and purchased a used car. It was a semi-beater, but it was all that she could afford (it was one of those "bone-yard" cars that the dealer used as bait to get low priced buyers in). She paid cash for it. It was sold as-is, with no warranty.

Two days later, it broke down. Major engine problem. A friend of hers helped her have it towed back to the dealership. The service people blew her off, since it wasn't a Ford product and there was no warranty.

She complained to the salesman, who also blew her off. The sales MGR did as well. Finally, she got to the GM. He also told her that it was a done-deal and that it was HER problem (he was known as a jerk to begin with). Heck, the dealership had a bad rep for years, so this shouldn't have been a surprise... The owner wasn't much better.

She couldn't afford to have it repaired and since she tried to ruffle feathers over it and stirred up some chit, the service dept literally pushed her car out onto the street (legal parking space) and left it there for her to take at her "convenience". Supposedly, it was the GM that told them to push it off their lot.

Well, she just happened to be the sister of a well known biker group that let's say, doesn't follow the law too well... She evidently went to her brother asking for help.

Just as a coincidence, the dealership was having a huge promotional sale that next weekend. They had In & Out Burger scheduled to be there giving out free burgers, some clowns, etc... You know, the usual dog & pony show type stuff.

The dealership opened up as usual on saturday morning at 9am. All the "promotional" festivities were just getting under way when the single mother was brought up to the showroom floor door on the back of a bike and once again asked the GM for her refund. He blew her off again!

Shortly thereafter (literally minutes), about TWO DOZEN outlaw biker looking dudes showed up and planted themselves at each entrance to the dealership!

The NIMROD GM told his crew to not worry about them and to just go along with business as usual and sell some cars!!!

The bikers would stare down anyone that tried to pull into an entrance. They would time it so they would walk across the driveway (on the sidewalk) when a car tried to pull in and then would just stand there in front of the car, looking at the driver and then pointing to them to leave.

Two hours later and no one was on the lot! The In & Out Burger van was sitting there with no one to give burgers to (except for the bikers!!! ). The clowns were sitting in the showroom not being very funny. Salesmen were smoking, but not joking... It was a disaster!!!

Finally, the owner of the dealership unexpectedly pulled up and saw the bikers and what was going on. He pulled onto the lot and parked in his usual space in the back. By the time he walked into the showroom, the GM was standing there sweating bullets! When the owner asked what the "F" was going on, the GM had to spill the beans.

Thirty minutes later, the single mom had her refund (in cash) and was on her way. The outlaw bikers also left, but only after another round of burgers!!!


I have actually been to the Cabral's dealership in the OP's story. They are a Jeep dealer and when I was shopping for a Jeep for my son, I stopped by there since I always hear their ads on the radio. I wasn't too impressed with what I saw...

Sounds like they will be in some hot water over this one...
That is great.
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I have involved in these types of issues. A woman of color traded her recently deceased husbands van in to purchase a car.
What does her skin color have to do with the rest of the story?;?
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There was a story in the paper here a few years ago when the dodge charger was new(Challenger) not sure which one but anyway, This old lady goes to a dealer and they sell her a brand new loaded to the teeth with the big Hemi and a manual trans. she made it a couple of miles before totaling the car and if memory serves she died in the crash. I remember thinking to myself, WTF was the dealer thinking when they penned that deal.
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There was a dealership in the town where I was an LEO that ripped some guy off. Every day on the way to work he legally parked his car on the street in front of the dealer with a big sign with something about how they had ripped him off. Went on for a longgggg time.
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Originally Posted by Mike Boehler View Post
That story is eerily similar to an experience we had in our family.

About 10 years ago, my Uncle walked into a dealership that he knew the salesman and traded a vehicle in for a new one. He was wearing one shoe! We had reports that he was driving on the wrong side of the road and we found him shaving half his face. Unknown to us, he had Brain Cancer.

And still they sold him a brand new vehicle and took his old one in on trade. Not surprising, they severely ripped him off.

He passed away a few weeks later and while I was going over his financials, I noticed the whole deal. So I took off for the dealership to get my two cents worth from the salesman and owner.

After an embarrassing scene in the parking lot between me and 3 or 4 salesman, they threatened me with calling the cops and demanded I leave, which I finally did before going to jail.

A day later, the owner of the dealership called another family member and offered a solution. "Why don't you let the car go back to the bank so you don't have to deal with it". So I call the bank and ask "what happens to the car if we do this"? Bank tells me that the dealership that sold the car gets first crack at it for dealer wholesale.

We didn't give the dealer a chance to rip us off again, we sold it privately.

That was over 10 years ago, and still today, it takes every ounce of restraint not to firebomb that sonofabitch and his dealership when I drive by.

We found out he had one shoe on because a salesman there told me!

I hate car dealers, (no disrespect to honest guys on here) but these slugs will whore their mother for a car sale.

I regret not taking a pound of flesh, the short jail stint would have been a walk in the park considering the hate I harbor for years.

10 years has gone by, now is the right time for revenge, you are not likely to be suspect, I can think of a lot better ways than fire bombing to get even however.
I have a similar situation myself, not car related however, I am just waiting for the right time to take action, the revenge will come, patience is the key.
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We are 25+ years out getting screwed by a dealer in Pocomoke City MD and I still lay there sometimes and wonder how I am going to get even with that SOB. Probably never will but maybe the karma will eventually fuk him up.
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Originally Posted by bumster View Post
There was a story in the paper here a few years ago when the dodge charger was new(Challenger) not sure which one but anyway, This old lady goes to a dealer and they sell her a brand new loaded to the teeth with the big Hemi and a manual trans. she made it a couple of miles before totaling the car and if memory serves she died in the crash. I remember thinking to myself, WTF was the dealer thinking when they penned that deal.
When I was 14 I talked my granny 64 into buying one of the first Mustangs(thinking ahead ) We ordered up a mellow small V8/3 speed in kind of a cranberry red. When the car came in she didn't like the color and said "how about that one?" Left the lot with a blaze orange, black interior 225hp 289 4 speed. It's the little old lady.......
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What does her skin color have to do with the rest of the story?;?

if you can't figure it out i really can't help you.

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