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Old 10-27-2010, 09:25 AM
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Default Electric Guitar for 12 y/o

Gibson Les Paul Studio and a 30 watt marshall amp?

She has been taking lessons for 1.5 years, practices a lot and is ready to move beyond the 129.00 beginner package.

Any input?
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Originally Posted by fichtion View Post
Gibson Les Paul Studio and a 30 watt marshall amp?
Is she even savy enough to know, what's not to like with that combo?

So what brand of headphones do you own? Or are you planning on extended hours fishing?
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Yes go for it.Never to young for the guitar
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action of the neck will tell her if she likes it or not -

my choice - late 60s fender strat- strat super reverb- tube amp-

nice setup you got for your daughter-

i dont play anymore and just gave my neice a remic -she has been takeing lessons for about 3 years - time she moved up fron a cheap acustic -- id post a pic but dont have permission to put a pic of her daughter on the web--
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From what I see Les Paul Studios going for new, you have a LOT of options. If you are looking at new, then you are getting mighty close to what you can get a nice used Les Paul Standard or a '61 SG reissue for. You are well within the price range to find a very nice Fender vintage reissue. I have had coupler of them and IMO, you cannot beat a good '52 Tele reissue as an all around guitar once you modify to the modern switching setup. I had Lindy Fralins in my old one and when I plugged it in to a 50 watt Plexi, it would do a perfect James Gang era Joe Walsh sound and then some. The '62 Strat Reissues are quite nice too. With that said, the '61 SG Reissues from the 90's (the "regular ones" not the Historic had pretty much the same guts as they were putting in the Historic Les Pauls at the time. My top two choices would be the SG and the '52 Tele.
Call me a snob, but after having owned 5 of the Historic Collection Les Pauls, I just can't get excited about a Studio. I would go with a nice Junior or Special before I bought a Studio. I also had a standard grade Firebird for a while and that was pretty nice.
As for an amp, I would look at something like a Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue before I looked at the smaller Marshall combos. Deluxe Reverb is the answer that a lot of people would give if you asked them "what would you buy if you could only have one amp?" Also, if you can find a nice one, don't turn your nose up at a used Peavy Classic 20 or 30.
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A 30 watt practice amp is pleanty, what kind of head phones do YOU want for Christmas?

Why not set a price limit and allow her to pick out the Guitar?
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Just remember the Les Paul's are on the heavy side. Can't go wrong with the sound or action though.

The SG might be a little more comfortable for a 12 y/o.
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Roger on the head phones.

Still hunting around for ideas.

With my lack of knowledge I was just looking for a solid choice.

The studio will run around 1250.00. the amp 200.00.

Not sure if she needs a tube amp yet and she is not in a band yet.

Garret:

Nice tone to your post.

Don't think that I need any input from you.
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Originally Posted by fichtion View Post
Roger on the head phones.

Still hunting around for ideas.

With my lack of knowledge I was just looking for a solid choice.

The studio will run around 1250.00. the amp 200.00.

Not sure if she needs a tube amp yet and she is not in a band yet.

Garret:

Nice tone to your post.

Don't think that I need any input from you.
For $1250, you should be able to find a goodly number of VERY nice guitars used. You can find late model '52 American Vintage Tele reissues for that price ALL day long on Ebay. A '52 Hot Rod might be better, but it also might be a bitmore pricey. The make a line of VERY nice Mexican versions of a lot of the Vintage American guitars. The Jimmy Vaughan signature model Strat has always been made in Mexico IIRC. You need to take her to Guitar Center or a big Sam Ash if you have one close by and let her mess around with a bunch of guitars. If you are going to spend that much on a guitar for her, i would say you need to look at a better amp because you will eventually have to buy one anyway and probably a lot sooner than you think if she is serious. At least look at something like a Fender Pro Junior.
Weight can be an issue. i had a very light '59 RI that was not a Cloud 9 and a lighter '57 gold top RI , but I also had a '54 LP Custom "Black Beauty" RI that was an anvil. I loved the guitar, but I had no illusions about it being comfortable to play for long periods of time. LOL
Bottom line is that you are looking at a price range for a guitar where you have a LOT of options, but you should do a lot research and as much git-fiddle fondling as possible before you buy. Yo never know what you will find. One of the nicest little guitars that I have handled at a store in the last few years was a Mexican made "Road Worn" series version of the '52 Hot Rod Tele with the mini humbucker in the neck position and it listed for a lot cheaper than the American version. Like almost half as much money.

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We went to Guitar center and she messed around with different guitars for 2 hrs.

I am hamstrung by my lack of knowledge and not being a player.

research I can do. playing a guitar, I cannot.
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Originally Posted by fichtion View Post
We went to Guitar center and she messed around with different guitars for 2 hrs.

I am hamstrung by my lack of knowledge and not being a player.

research I can do. playing a guitar, I cannot.
LOL. True. It can be overwhelming. When she tries guitars out, let her plug into amps that you cannot afford. You often times can get a LOT of guitar for the money but not so much with amps. Plug into something crazy expensive and revealing like a Fender Custom Shop tweed '57 Deluxe or the low power '57 Twin. You will know everything you need to about the guitar. Once you find the guitar, then look for the amp. You are talking almost $1500, so you can get a very nice little rig. fi she likes something like the Road Worn Tele, then that would leave a lot more money for an amp. You might also take a look at the lower priced model guitars from Paul Reed Smith.

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You might like to find out if she wants a tremelo bar or not. For a beginner, which she still is, it's hard to beat the standard fenders as far as playability. The Fenders come standard with .09s, whereas the Gisbons have the thicker .10 strings. Also the Fenders necks have more of a radius, which I think is easier to fret........
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Originally Posted by Ranger88 View Post
You might like to find out if she wants a tremelo bar or not. For a beginner, which she still is, it's hard to beat the standard fenders as far as playability. The Fenders come standard with .09s, whereas the Gisbons have the thicker .10 strings. Also the Fenders necks have more of a radius, which I think is easier to fret........
I'll agree with this. My third guitar was a 1990 Fender strat plus deluxe which I thoroughly enjoyed and was easy to play. Lace sensor pickups and floyd rose bridge worked very well for me. I really miss that guitar.
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Fender has a fairly new series out now. The Fender Black. A smaller version of the Strat. Comes in other shades. My grandson just got one for his 14th birthday. Lots of features. Retails in most places for $495.00. Good sound. Google is your friend.
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I, too, agree that a Fender might be a little easier on a 12 year old's hands. Also, i've never been fond of the way the Les Paul sits when you are sitting and playing (which I imagine she does a lot when practicing at the house). It just doesn't balance well, in my opinion.
If it were me, I'd go Fender Telecaster. If you can afford it, and it sounds like you can, you might as well get a good one now (American made). If she is smart and keeps it for many many years, it will appreciate in value.
Also, the 30 watt amp will be plenty. I had a Marshall 30 watt solid state for many years and it was more than enough volume for pretty much anything short of a full club gig.
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I, too, agree that a Fender might be a little easier on a 12 year old's hands. Also, i've never been fond of the way the Les Paul sits when you are sitting and playing (which I imagine she does a lot when practicing at the house). It just doesn't balance well, in my opinion.
If it were me, I'd go Fender Telecaster. If you can afford it, and it sounds like you can, you might as well get a good one now (American made). If she is smart and keeps it for many many years, it will appreciate in value.
Also, the 30 watt amp will be plenty. I had a Marshall 30 watt solid state for many years and it was more than enough volume for pretty much anything short of a full club gig.
Again, I think he needs to establish if she wants a tremelo bar. That would determine whether to go Tele, or Strat. I actually have a Strat Hardtail that I bought used in '75. A strat thats strung through the back like a tele, no tremelo. It has the 3 bolt neck plate, which I really don't like, though......

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Buy used. There are a ton of guitars and amps for sale that have been bought by people and barely played.

Buy each piece (guitar and amp) separately. Start with the guitar. Go to Guitar Center to try different guitars to see which neck / fingerboard radius she prefers. You want to go with what feels right because you can always change the sound of a guitar by changing pick ups and effects. They even make huimbuckers that fit in strat single coil pickup slots. Once she's found one that feels right, shop for used. I see other posters replying that a Fender might be easier. No one can make such a broad statement because there are different finger board radiuses as well as neck configurations (C shape vs. V shape neck). You also have a choice of fingerboard material with Fender (maple vs. rosewood).


I would not buy a new Les Paul studio. They're not really a collectible (though they're not cheap either) and there are tons of them on Craigs list for several hundred less than new.

30 watt is alot. 15 is plenty for home use. Amps vary widely. While everyone eventually prefers to play through a tube amp, until she's absolutely certain what sound she wants, a solid state Marshall is fine. I wouldn't go too expensive on the amp at first.

If you are going to bust out a $1,000 for a new guitar, the American Standard Fenders are really nice. The pickups are bland however. But other than that, you get a nice guitar for the money. I prefer DiMarzio pickups (the area series noiseless) and they completely transform the sound of my strats. I'm a blues guy though, so the sound she would probably want, probably wouldn't be the sound I've got.
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I'll throw my .02 in here:

I'm a huge fan of Gibson guitars, but I've gotta say that I worked on a new one for a friend and was appalled at the quality. (i'm pretty sure it was a studio) The wiring was a joke for a guitar in that price range.

my advice: stay away from guitar center. go to a smaller, locally owned music shop that sells high quality used guitars. I have a '79 les paul and a '67 melody maker that I got for 700 and 400. Guitar center, at least the one down here, doesn't set up the guitars properly. they just pull 'em out the box and put them out for sale. find a little place that will sell you a good instrument that is intonated and has proper string relief, a straight neck, etc. also, those types of places will usually be more open to trade it back in if she doesn't like it. my dad got me my first guitar when i was about 12 and I have been trading/swapping/selling guitars at the same shop ever since. the owner of that shop watched me grow from a young kid just learning how to play all the way to a working musician gigging every weekend and touring.

that being said i agree that you should let her play lots of different guitars, as she may not really like the size & weight of the LP. once again: stay away from guitar center if possible because they could have a guitar that she would love if set up properly, but has horrible string relief or needs truss rod adjustment. she may not know what all that means, but it won't feel good and turn her off to what could be the perfect instrument.

good strings and a proper set up job can make a $500 guitar feel and play like a $1500 guitar.

one other thing: whether you buy from guitar center or anywhere else, don't be afraid to ask for a better deal. musical instruments are one of those things that you really don't ever need to pay "sticker price" for. i know several people who have worked at guitar center and they have a lot of room for negotiation on most items.

as for an amp, start her out small for sure and she can work her way up. 15 or 30 quality watts is plenty.
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I'd look for a nice used Hamer, they came from CT and are a great value used
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Originally Posted by Ranger88 View Post
Again, I think he needs to establish if she wants a tremelo bar.
thank you for the BOLD reminder.

Tremelo or not, a Telecaster can still be had. Either add on a Bigsby tremelo bridge (there are also a plethora of other aftermarket options) or just go ahead and buy the entire guitar brand new straight from Fender...http://www.fender.com/products/searc...tno=0142002300


fichtion, out of curiosity, what type of music does your daughter prefer to listen to/play?

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