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Old 10-21-2010, 05:26 PM
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Reading about this new e15 thing, you really have to wonder what is being thought. I "get" that we need to get off oil, but what are they thinking. e15 delivers less power (ie worst milage), uses more energy to create than it delvers and pushes food prices up.

While diesel is certainly still oil, we can decrease oil consumption and miss out on nothing. 30% more power than gas, who knows how much more than e15. 1/2 ton pick up, more toque and 25mpg's sign me up. A Honda Accord 55mpg. They ain't your fathers diesel either, not smoke, they move and are almost as quiet.

What am I missing? Do the car companies and politicians think Americans are too dumb to understand old diesel technology and new diesel technology are night and day?
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Originally Posted by Boat Hound View Post
Reading about this new e15 thing, you really have to wonder what is being thought. I "get" that we need to get off oil, but what are they thinking. e15 delivers less power (ie worst milage), uses more energy to create than it delvers and pushes food prices up.

While diesel is certainly still oil, we can decrease oil consumption and miss out on nothing. 30% more power than gas, who knows how much more than e15. 1/2 ton pick up, more toque and 25mpg's sign me up. A Honda Accord 55mpg. They ain't your fathers diesel either, not smoke, they move and are almost as quiet.

What am I missing? Do the car companies and politicians think Americans are too dumb to understand old diesel technology and new diesel technology are night and day?
Well not really.. I just bought a diesel in May and I dumped it in October. Got me a hemi. The diesel did get a little better mpg around town but the diesel cost 15% more. If I can evry get going without stopping i think the hemi might get as much mpg as the diesel. maybe more.
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They don't care, the democrats are self serving.
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Originally Posted by lobstercatcher View Post
Well not really.. I just bought a diesel in May and I dumped it in October. Got me a hemi. The diesel did get a little better mpg around town but the diesel cost 15% more. If I can evry get going without stopping i think the hemi might get as much mpg as the diesel. maybe more.
are you comparing apples to apples? The 6.7 liter diesel is 600ft ft/lb of torque / the 5.7 liter Hemi is 400 ft/lb of torque. That is a liter difference and 200 ft/lb more. The price would come down if they made more.
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Originally Posted by lobstercatcher View Post
Well not really.. I just bought a diesel in May and I dumped it in October. Got me a hemi. The diesel did get a little better mpg around town but the diesel cost 15% more. If I can evry get going without stopping i think the hemi might get as much mpg as the diesel. maybe more.
My 2500 diesel truck averages about 17 mpg. My buddy's identical truck that is gas averages about 12 mpg. Diesel costs me $0.20 more per gallon at the pump. Diesel is $2.89 vs $2.69 for 87 octane. I'll stick with the diesel.
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I believe the 6.7 ford is 800ft/lbs
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I went through 2 engines in my 78 diesel Rabbit, and it still never made it to 100k miles. I think car diesels may just be too llight. Trucks are another story. The 47 hp Perkins 4-107 that came in my (British) 1971 Romany 21 is still running, so I'm told, and it burns 1/4 gph.
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Originally Posted by Boat Hound View Post
are you comparing apples to apples? The 6.7 liter diesel is 600ft ft/lb of torque / the 5.7 liter Hemi is 400 ft/lb of torque. That is a liter difference and 200 ft/lb more. The price would come down if they made more.
Well no, I bought a 2005 used truck in the spring. The 2005 cummings had a rating peak torque of 400 ftlbs I get about a little over 12 mpg around town with about a 1000 miles on the truck so far. I don't get much highway driving in my longest run at 50mpg might be 3 miles. that little meter thing ranges between 17 to 21 mpg . the 12mpg was actual gas divided by gals at the pump but the milage meter was saying that. Cost per mile is just a little less with the hemi but I don't have to deal with anything diesel. For me. I don't tow anything sothe hemi is great. A diesel new is also a 10,000 dollar option. I figured you can drive about 100,000 miles before the cost begins to come cost effective . I can't keep the same truck that long or have never been able to in the past so it could probably not ever be cost effective for me. However after driving the diesel, I can see how somebody towing heavy loads all the time would like the power.
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My MIL bought a jetta TDI 18 months ago...getting about 42 mpg and the thing runs great. If I drove alot of miles I'd look at one hard for a daily driver.
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Originally Posted by t3rockhall View Post
I went through 2 engines in my 78 diesel Rabbit, and it still never made it to 100k miles. I think car diesels may just be too llight. Trucks are another story. The 47 hp Perkins 4-107 that came in my (British) 1971 Romany 21 is still running, so I'm told, and it burns 1/4 gph.
Not exactly an apples to apples comparrison. My POS '77 Caprice Classic never made it to 100,000 either........ Somehow the 350 V8 seemed to survive (and improve).
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Mercedes 300D... Still see a log of 'em on the road. Most are well over the 200k mile mark.
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2004 Dodge Ram Diesel. 4 doors 8 foot bed 3.73 rear axle + 6 speeds and 4wd. Somewhere around 7000 pounds empty. In Bristol, NH 23.8 mpg around town. 21.7 on highway with traffic. 610 ft/lbs torque and 325 hp stock. No diesel rap due to modern fuel schedule and common rail injection. Barely broken in at 99,872 miles. Great rig.
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Synthetic Diesel Fuel Powers 1,000 Miles of Audi


Audi began a 1,000-mile eco drive on Oct. 18 in a demonstration named "Eureka! Diesel Drives the Future." Two Audi A3 TDI test cars left Eureka, Calif., and headed south, filled with RenDiesel, a synthetic fuel from Rentech. The Audis will stop in Sacramento, San Francisco, Rialto and Los Angeles before ending the journey in San Diego.
Rentech, online at www.rentechinc.com, is a renewable-energy company based in Los Angeles that specializes in making fuels from biomass.
The point of the trip is to raise awareness about the advantages of diesel fuels while specifically highlighting Audi's TDI and the synthetic diesel fuel from Rentech.
RenDiesel is a renewable fuel produced at the company's plant in Rialto, Calif. It meets all applicable fuel standards, is compatible with existing diesel engines and burns cleanly. RenDiesel emits less particulate and less pollutants that even the cleanest ultra-low-sulfur diesel fuel. It has the potential to be twice as efficient as a car running on ethanol.
Rentech's property in Rialto is designed to produce up to 640 barrels of synthetic diesel per day. The compound will also generate 35 megawatts of electricity using conventional high-efficiency gas turbines. That's enough to power 30,000 homes in the area.
To make the synthetic fuel, Rentech uses biomass gasification. It's a process that converts yard waste such as grass clippings to a gas, which is then made into synthetic diesel with help from the New Jersey-based company Honeywell. A similar fuel is being used in airplanes.
Currently, Audi only permits the use of 5 percent biodiesel blends under the warranties on its diesel vehicles. This is because of inconsistent standards for alternative fuels globally. But the advances in the fuel are still promising.
"Diesel vehicles such as the Audi A3 TDI and synthetic drop-in fuels such as renewable RenDiesel provide powerful solutions to reducing greenhouse gases as well as the need for domestically produced fuels," said D. Hunt Ramsbottom, president and CEO of Rentech. "These solutions are magnified when renewable RenDiesel powers an A3 TDI, making it one of the most viable and near-term means for emissions reductions."
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Originally Posted by lobstercatcher View Post
Well no, I bought a 2005 used truck in the spring. The 2005 cummings had a rating peak torque of 400 ftlbs I get about a little over 12 mpg around town with about a 1000 miles on the truck so far. I don't get much highway driving in my longest run at 50mpg might be 3 miles. that little meter thing ranges between 17 to 21 mpg . the 12mpg was actual gas divided by gals at the pump but the milage meter was saying that. Cost per mile is just a little less with the hemi but I don't have to deal with anything diesel. For me. I don't tow anything sothe hemi is great. A diesel new is also a 10,000 dollar option. I figured you can drive about 100,000 miles before the cost begins to come cost effective . I can't keep the same truck that long or have never been able to in the past so it could probably not ever be cost effective for me. However after driving the diesel, I can see how somebody towing heavy loads all the time would like the power.

Lobster, Yes, you do not need a Diesel for how you drive. Also your CUMMINS had 600 foot pounds of torque and around 300HP, I have a 2007 5.9 CTD 610 FT LBS and 325 HP , I get 16 around town and 22 on the HWY. My truck has 3.73 gears , 6 spd man trans, regular cab , long bed. I get 11 to 12 towing my boat at 2K rpms at 63 mph and I pull 1800+ mile round trips [TX. to FL.]
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The more we talk about the need or desire for diesel powered vehicles the faster the auto makers and Government will get the picture. Imagine if the government took the money they are wasting on subsidizing ethenol and moved it over to bringing diesel mainstream. How can my 2001 (10 yr old) Excursion 7.3, which weighs as much as 3 cars get 23 highway mpg's and you have new (2011) 1500 trucks and some cars that cannot get close to those numbers? I don't know the power to weight ratio but even If they made a mini sized version of the 7.3 with the old school technology and put it in a passenger car, whats that, like 40 mpg?
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The more we talk about the need or desire for diesel powered vehicles the faster the auto makers and Government will get the picture. Imagine if the government took the money they are wasting on subsidizing ethenol and moved it over to bringing diesel mainstream. How can my 2001 (10 yr old) Excursion 7.3, which weighs as much as 3 cars get 23 highway mpg's and you have new (2011) 1500 trucks and some cars that cannot get close to those numbers? I don't know the power to weight ratio but even If they made a mini sized version of the 7.3 with the old school technology and put it in a passenger car, whats that, like 40 mpg?
I agree, and it seemed like mfg's were almost there. Toyota, Ford, and GMC had smaller diesels lined up for production and canceled them all at the last minute. Honda had plans for a diesel Accord which they were saying could see 60mpg's. Not sure what happened.

I know the oil companies would not be happy if everyone started buying 'em and apparently this ethanol organization has some big backing from somewhere...
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Diesel will always provide more usable power at a lower cost. The oil companies spend more money lobbying to keep restrictions on diesel cars than you can imagine.

If you don't think so, visit Honda and Toyota sites in other nations. Adjust for imperial gal. and do the math.

We're being fleeced by own government, one gallon at a time.
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Originally Posted by Boat Hound View Post
Reading about this new e15 thing, you really have to wonder what is being thought. I "get" that we need to get off oil, but what are they thinking. e15 delivers less power (ie worst milage), uses more energy to create than it delvers and pushes food prices up.
Exactly why do we have to "get" off oil? ;?

Oil is to the world economy as water is to our bodies.
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Originally Posted by Lively-Lines View Post
Exactly why do we have to "get" off oil? ;?

Oil is to the world economy as water is to our bodies.
Really? Oil puts cash in the pockets of people that want to kill your family. Granted you can make an argument that boosts defense (and offense) spending, which I guess helps the economy.

Of course we could open up Alaska, and that would certainly help...but for some reason there is more money in not doing that right now, or it is about saving the mosquito or something. But anyway you cut it, using less is not a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by Mako 234 View Post
My 2500 diesel truck averages about 17 mpg. My buddy's identical truck that is gas averages about 12 mpg. Diesel costs me $0.20 more per gallon at the pump. Diesel is $2.89 vs $2.69 for 87 octane. I'll stick with the diesel.
I did the same math when buying my last truck. In ten years I put about 100,000 miles on the truck.

Diesel:
100,000 miles / 17 mpg = 5882 gallons@2.99/gallon = $17,588.23
Gas:
100,000 miles / 12 mpg = 8333 gallons@2.69/gallon = $22,416.66

I saving a whopping $4823 OVER THE COURSE OF 10 years. Not to mention the diesel was almost $8k more to initially purchase....

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