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Old 10-21-2010, 06:23 AM
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Did anyone watch the story last night about Remington 700's and the problems they have documented for many years regarding accidental discharges when working the safety?

All I was able to gather was that not only were civilians effected but several SWAT teams also stopped using the rifle. It was learned that Remington has known about the problem and has done nothing.
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Originally Posted by Mist-Rest View Post
Did anyone watch the story last night about Remington 700's and the problems they have documented for many years regarding accidental discharges when working the safety?

All I was able to gather was that not only were civilians effected but several SWAT teams also stopped using the rifle. It was learned that Remington has known about the problem and has done nothing.
I thought they took care of that problem years ago. Changed the safety and offered "fixes" on the older rifles. I guess not. What station had the story?
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CNBC I believe.
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From what I gathered watching the program Remington semi- acknowledged the problem several years back but chose not to do a recall in that the cost would exceed $300 million. ;?
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Was this on modified actions/triggers or on stock actions/triggers? Only time I have seen this is when the trigger was lightened or someone tried to hone the sear.
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Here is an article on it

http://www.popfi.com/2010/10/21/the-...0-death-rifle/
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I have a question. Lets just say the gun is defective. Isn't safe gun handling to never point the gun (loaded or unloaded) at anything you do no intend to shoot? The one where the little boy was killed was horrible, but common, wtf are you doing unloading a gun while pointing it at a kid?
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Originally Posted by cedarholm View Post
CNBC I believe.
Go figure, the L*B media...
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Go figure, the L*B media...
I think you are confusing CNBC with MSNBC. I'd hardly think of Rick Santori as liberal.

I saw the last 20 min of the show and it was very interesting. According to the story there have been thousands of complaints where the gun discharged unintential while switching the safety off or on.
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Originally Posted by GravyBoat View Post
I have a question. Lets just say the gun is defective. Isn't safe gun handling to never point the gun (loaded or unloaded) at anything you do no intend to shoot? The one where the little boy was killed was horrible, but common, wtf are you doing unloading a gun while pointing it at a kid?
You evidently did not watch the show as the mother was not pointing the gun at her child purposely, the child was inside when the she was unloading discharged, the bullet went through the wall and the child killing him, it was a total accident...could have been prevented by unloading the rifle with the muzzle pointing down but an accident none the less
Remington knew about the problem almost from the inception of the model 700 and chose to do nothing about it even though there was a 6cent fix at the time but did not implement it due to the rise in manufacturing cost's instead they settled out of court and in the settlement stipulated that no one was to talk about who, what or why.. That's my abridged version..
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HOLY CRAP! I had this happen to me about 10 years ago with my model 700 .30/06 . I knew I didn't hit the trigger! Luckily my upbringing had taught me to point the gun away from everything.

Just got in the stand and as my buddy was walking away I turned 180 degrees from him...I was dialing in my scope on a feeding pole, decided to try the safety from a shooting position, (it had always been a PITA to disengage....real tight), eased it off and WHAM! Everything went white, I was completely in shock...My buddy turned to see me slumped over in the stand, thought I had shot myself or something...took me 5 minutes to come back to reality...Scared the S#!* out of me...

I told myself i must've hit the trigger but my finger was nowhere near it... I just left with a nice scope ring above the eye and a newfound fear of rifles. Don't think I've been deer hunting twice since.

This somehow makes me feel better about the whole thing I guess. ALWAYS keep the business end pointed away from anything you don't wanna shoot.
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I've got 2 Remington 700's, a 7mm Rem. Mag and a 30-.06. Both triggers have been reworked. I've been in 4 different hunting clubs from 1974-2007. I've never heard of this problem til I saw the title of the show on TV. I was disinterested and will continue to use my rifles. Most everything on TV expresses whatever point the producers are trying to make others agree with. Reality shows are the worse. My nieces b'friend just tried out for American Idol. He got past thousands and sang in front of J Lo, Black Dog, and Steven Tyler. The producers filmed all the finalists with their "golden ticket" before they even went in front of the judges. Her b'friend had to do 3 or 4 takes because he was not saying or acting exactly as they wanted him to. TV is a crock and should be for entertainment only.

I do however believe the radar when I see it on TV.
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I fell asleep and didn't get to see most of it. Thanks for the link to the story.

YES the argument of safe gun handling skills was the first thing that came to mind and yes keeping the muzzle to the ground is the best way but not always practical. I don't care how you look at it working the safety on your trigger shouldn't discharge your firearm. In almost 30 years of gun handling I've only been on the line once when it happened (accidental discharge) to guy standing next to me. It does scare the crap out of you.

Didn't the boy run around the camper from where he was standing with his sister thus ending up in line of the muzzle?
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Originally Posted by GravyBoat View Post
I have a question. Lets just say the gun is defective. Isn't safe gun handling to never point the gun (loaded or unloaded) at anything you do no intend to shoot? The one where the little boy was killed was horrible, but common, wtf are you doing unloading a gun while pointing it at a kid?

My thoughts exactly.
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He walked around the horse and went into the camper.
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I've owned many 700s, and I've never known or even heard of one with a factory unmodified trigger discharging by being either being dropped or by simply disengaging the safety....
In my very humble opinion the article is total crap, and the lawsuits are filed by lawyers with clients wanting an easy big payout for something that obviously happened as a direct result of their stupidity in safe gun handling.........
And of course filing bogus lawsuits against gun manufactures in order to simply drive them out of business is another well known tactic of many radical anti-gun groups.....
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BTJ,

I was thinking more on the lines of their corporate lawyers advising the client not to do anything thus admitting guilt.

A hunter having an issue with a gun because he never uses it but once a year I can believe.
How do you explain SWAT teams not using these guns because of the same problems?
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Originally Posted by GravyBoat View Post
I have a question. Lets just say the gun is defective. Isn't safe gun handling to never point the gun (loaded or unloaded) at anything you do no intend to shoot? The one where the little boy was killed was horrible, but common, wtf are you doing unloading a gun while pointing it at a kid?
That kind of logic is exactly how Remington's executives were able to say with a straight face that proper handling is all it takes to make their gun safe.

I forgot about this show, but I saw a clip on NBC Nightly News night before last about the problem with the 700. One piece of footage showed a SWAT guy just bump the bolt with his hand causing the weapon to discharge. That being said, I never had any first hand knowledge of problems with the 700 when I was in the gun business. From what I saw on that news clip, it certainly appeared that Remington knew they had a problem.
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Originally Posted by GravyBoat View Post
I have a question. Lets just say the gun is defective. Isn't safe gun handling to never point the gun (loaded or unloaded) at anything you do no intend to shoot? The one where the little boy was killed was horrible, but common, wtf are you doing unloading a gun while pointing it at a kid?
How 'bout we just say the gun is defective and end it there. Doesnt matter what it was pointed at. If a gun goes off when the trigger was not engaged by the user it is defective. Allowing defective guns give anti's a foot in the door toward more regulation and that aint good for gun owners. Period.
Not sure I understand the logic it was the gun owner's fault that a known defect caused an accident.
Weather it is or isnt a defect or just and anti gun tactic is another story and discussion that stands apart from Remington's responsibility.
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I heard about this 20, or so, years ago...

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