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Old 05-29-2010, 09:54 AM
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Wow, the interest in this race sure has dwindled! I have a passing interest in that at one time I worked briefly with Newman/Haas Racing.

Took me five minutes to find news on it and still haven't found the starting lineup.

Unbelievable bonehead move to divide the league into two rival sects a few years back. Me thinks this race won't ever regain its luster or appeal to the US public.
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Old 05-29-2010, 10:04 AM
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It's amazing how all racing has fallen from grace with the public. I wouldn't be too quick to blame the spit of league.

All sports need a villain and our society doesn't support the villain any longer.

If it wasn't for the Yankees and Red Sox, baseball would fall off the map because you love them or hate them.

Nascar had Dale. You loved him or hated him.

NFL had Dallas, you either loved them or hated them.

Now everyone wants a salary cap, cars of tomorrow, even Steven. No one left to hate.

It was almost more fun to tune into a sporting event to root for them to lose then it was to tune in your favorite team.

All gone by the wayside, in the name of Fair Play.

We can't even keep score in our kids little league games anymore.

WTF, why teach them how to count.
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Absolutely this start at the split, due soley to the greed of the George family, and the way they treated Penske, Foyt, the Unser's and the Andrettis. It will never be the same....period.

As far as NASCAR; how long can you watch someone make a left hand turn? Also the days of the old moonshiners are gone, and the new guys are about as interesting as a house plant. Just my $.02.

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Originally Posted by Mike Boehler View Post
It's amazing how all racing has fallen from grace with the public. I wouldn't be too quick to blame the spit of league.

All sports need a villain and our society doesn't support the villain any longer.

If it wasn't for the Yankees and Red Sox, baseball would fall off the map because you love them or hate them.

Nascar had Dale. You loved him or hated him.

NFL had Dallas, you either loved them or hated them.

Now everyone wants a salary cap, cars of tomorrow, even Steven. No one left to hate.

It was almost more fun to tune into a sporting event to root for them to lose then it was to tune in your favorite team.

All gone by the wayside, in the name of Fair Play.

We can't even keep score in our kids little league games anymore.

WTF, why teach them how to count.
Well put..I dont know anything about Indy but NASCAR has shot theirselves in the foot trying to appeal to every Nationality,Sex,Region. Anytime a Rivalry is mentioned they hold a little meeting calm everybody down,then go out and turn laps,BS.
I believe soccer and Soccer moms have ruined this country of competion. Winning no longer important,but jus Being there is....see where that gets kids later in life
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Absolutely this start at the split, due soley to the greed of the George family, and the way they treated Penske, Foyt, the Unser's and the Andrettis. It will never be the same....period.

As far as NASCAR; how long can you watch someone make a left hand turn? Also the days of the old moonshiners are gone, and the new guys are about as interesting as a house plant. Just my $.02.
Where is the right hand turn at Indy
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The greatest spectacle in racing has turned into the greatest debacle in racing due to the Geaorge family. Tony is a douche and only cares about himself and lining his pockets. His reason for the split was a scam if you know the history then you know what I am talking about
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Originally Posted by Seacat FL View Post
Where is the right hand turn at Indy
Well of coarse there isn't, but the combination of long straightaways, and short "shoots", give the drivers a little more of a chance to mix it up, IMO. But your right, it's still pretty much a bore....
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I guess I'm one of those that gave up part of my "man card" on Indy (sometimes watched) and NASCAR (more often) - use to watch them both YEARS ago, but ...

... when the "Chevy's" and "Fords" and etc. became "blocks" of sheet metal - looking NOTHING like a car out of a dealership - and the drivers and crews got radios, and restrictor plates got put on (hell - let 'em run as fast as they CAN!), etc., etc.. Well, it just got a little TOO "controlled".

Don't get me wrong - I think it's GREAT that they have the fans, the shirts, the tight-knit "groupies" - just not MY thing.

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Old 05-29-2010, 08:22 PM
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I have followed the Indy 500 from the time I was 12 years old. I remember the horrible way Eddie Sachs died. I remember how Lorenzo Bandini was going to drive Walter Weir's car but died in Europe. Big Al, Little Al, Uncle Bobby, Mario, Michael, AJ and Ari. I just cannot give up watching the race. I went for 10 years before things out of my control stopped me from going.
The British invasion with the great Jimmy Clark and Graham Hill and those funny looking rear engine cars. AJ Foyt winning the last race a roadster will ever win and said how he sent those Limey bastard a lesson (showed up the next year with one those funny cars).

I took my sons to the 500 but they could give a flip about the race. So much history. Offy's, Novi's, Buicks, Chevy, Illmore, Oldsmobile, Ford Cosworth, Turbine's. Of course now you have to run a Honda or you can't race. Doesn't matter still will watch.

No one seems to love the history of the place. I still do and will till I die. Yes it was a rambling post but the memories just kept on coming. Here is a funny memory Apex Testing once had Roger Ward's camshaft and I got to see it. I saw Roger Ward's cam. As a kid that was a cool as it got.
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I have followed the Indy 500 from the time I was 12 years old. I remember the horrible way Eddie Sachs died. I remember how Lorenzo Bandini was going to drive Walter Weir's car but died in Europe. Big Al, Little Al, Uncle Bobby, Mario, Michael, AJ and Ari. I just cannot give up watching the race. I went for 10 years before things out of my control stopped me from going.
The British invasion with the great Jimmy Clark and Graham Hill and those funny looking rear engine cars. AJ Foyt winning the last race a roadster will ever win and said how he sent those Limey bastard a lesson (showed up the next year with one those funny cars).

I took my sons to the 500 but they could give a flip about the race. So much history. Offy's, Novi's, Buicks, Chevy, Illmore, Oldsmobile, Ford Cosworth, Turbine's. Of course now you have to run a Honda or you can't race. Doesn't matter still will watch.

No one seems to love the history of the place. I still do and will till I die. Yes it was a rambling post but the memories just kept on coming. Here is a funny memory Apex Testing once had Roger Ward's camshaft and I got to see it. I saw Roger Ward's cam. As a kid that was a cool as it got.
I am with you. A bit younger but we use to love the month of May. We use to skip school get a bunch of beer and spend the day at the track and watch practice and qualifications....and other things.

You missed Meers. I remember we all joked as Andretti could never win the race. My Dad's and my favorite was always AJ. Too bad he couldn't pull out another win towards the end.
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Has sophistication killed racing? Indy, and especially F1, have gotten soo high tech that true "racing" seems to have disappeared. Aerodynamics preclude wheel to wheel racing, drafting, any close proximity to the other car. Indy is a dangerous dinosaur of a track, but still has prestige and history.

The political squabbling certainly hasn't helped. F1 has the same problem. The drivers are remote, aloof...puppets for the products they hawk.

Oops..that's it. It isn't the RACING..it's all about the SPONSORS!
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I was a diehard 500 fan since I first heard it on the radio in 1958 at age nine...Foyt was a rookie. Attended the race from '85 thru 2000 and went to all the smaller races in the area. Before that I never missed it on TV and taped every race including qualification days...still have the tapes.
Now I don't even watch it and haven't for about 6 years. Tony George ruined the 500 and the Speedway. He used the IRL as a ploy to get rid of Penske and destroyed the race in the process. Tony Hulman is rolling over in his grave.
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I guess I'm one of those that gave up part of my "man card" on Indy (sometimes watched) and NASCAR (more often) - use to watch them both YEARS ago, but ...

... when the "Chevy's" and "Fords" and etc. became "blocks" of sheet metal - looking NOTHING like a car out of a dealership - and the drivers and crews got radios, and restrictor plates got put on (hell - let 'em run as fast as they CAN!), etc., etc.. Well, it just got a little TOO "controlled".

Don't get me wrong - I think it's GREAT that they have the fans, the shirts, the tight-knit "groupies" - just not MY thing.

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I generally agree with your comments about NASCAR but restrictor plates really don't have much to do with it. They have been used on and off since 1970 .There are 36 Sprint cup points races every year and plates are only used at 4 of them. Those 4 events at Talladega and Daytona are some of the best, most competitive races on the schedule. Does anybody really prefer to see a Cup race at Chicago or St Louis instead of Talladega?

The biggest problem now is NASCAR's desire to micromanage the "product".

I believe the best rule change would be to eliminate the open/closed pits rule and enact a 2 lap penalty for entering the pits under yellow flag conditions.
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Hell of a wreck....Dam!!
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In the old day's you had roughnecks, like Foyt and Yarborough, that had no problem getting out of the cars, and beating the sh*t out of each other. The fans love that kind of stuff. Now in NASCAR, you have a bunch of guys, I can't tell one from the other.....and Indy....same story except they're foreigners....

Of coarse....with me, that could any sport....guess I'm getting old...
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Way too many cautions. This buy a ride really gets some crap drivers in the race. What the hell is the "blocking" rule. Uh that is a guys job who is in front is to keep you behind. It looked to me if you weaved back in forth behind someone you could get them a blocking penalty. god let them race. But still love watching THE RACE
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Been watching to long when your favorite drivers GRANDSON is running the race now. lol
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Geez, Bum, ain't THAT the truth. Been watchin' that chit since the last beach race at Daytona. Sure, I wuz only 10, but that was racin' in its infancy, and dam exciting!

Went to the big track couple years later. What a change. But for the better?

Used to stand at the fence at the great Smokey Yunicks shop, but I digress................
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PC run amuck!

There's a country song in there somewhere.

How Political Correctness killed NASCAR.
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black flags for blocking? push to pass buttons? wtf is this crap? when did indy racing turn into a video game?
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