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Old 05-27-2010, 10:11 AM
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When you see things like this:

Honda Accord:
2.2 i-DTEC (Diesel) Manual 50.4MPG

2.2 i-CTDi (Diesel) Manual 55.4MPG

And we can't have them, yet we claim to care about the environment?

Source: http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/
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Makes me want to go outside and fire up my 13mpg F150


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What goes thru my mind? Why do we, as a country, countinue to elect idiots into office! Based on everyday stuff like construction techiniques, general technology, etc., the US is about 10-15 years behind Europe and Japan.
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What goes through my mind?

Diesel - bring it on! The perception of smoke-belching, stinky diesels needs to die once and for all. Today's clean diesels purr like powerful kittens, get fantastic MPG, and emit far fewer pollutants than 90% of the gas vehicles out there. To me, diesel *is* an alternative fuel -- an alternative to gasoline!

God bless the EPA! (not)
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I would't blame the EPA for the poor mileage we see. I would blame the average dumb American. When presented with a choice, everyone here wants a car that is "peppy" and acceleration is more important than mileage.
Even with the development of hybrids, any time there is a choice between speed or efficiency, we have always chosen speed. Years ago my mother had a Volkswagen Rabbit with a tiny, gutless, loud diesel. She got 50mpg, but had to turn off the AC when going up a hill. They couldn't sell that car now (even if it weren't for the stricter emissions standards) because people would think it was too slow. We want to have quick cars and still get better mileage, so you can blame the average dumbass American and those who make marketing decisions rather than technology. Look at any small car today such as a Honda Civic or Nissan Sentra and compare it to the same model from the early nineties. Today's version is larger, taller, heavier, and far more powerful, all things that don't contribute to better fuel economy.
We only made the switch to low sulfur diesel a couple of years ago, but in Europe they have had better diesel fuel than us for years. Diesel costs far less to refine, but unless gas goes to $6/gallon and people all of a sudden decide that fuel economy is their number one priority, you won't see teh huge mileage numbers we could be getting if we put our mind to it.
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I drove a New bettle TDI for 3 years it averaged 40 MPG on the highway 70 mph...

Would have driven off in a Jetta TDI if they would of had them when I traded cars a few years back...


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What goes thru my mind? Why do we, as a country, countinue to elect idiots into office! Based on everyday stuff like construction techiniques, general technology, etc., the US is about 10-15 years behind Europe and Japan.
I think you are correct......and if you see what economic/social issues they have right now (Greece), you can expect THOSE in 10-15 years too!
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I had a brand new A6 turbo diesel I rented in Germany a couple years ago.What a car,130 mph cruise on the autobahn.Awsome ride,whisper quite you would never know its diesel.
Their are gonna be alot of unemployed politicians this fall.
I would bet its because their are not enough scum lobiest working for the auto manufactors to bring these cars to the US.
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drive what you want and can afford. simple really.
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"What goes through your mind ... "

Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
When you see things like this:
That I would NOT want to be on the same highway with a tractor trailer, dump truck, or even a motorcycle while driving or riding in that phone booth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I have a Jetta TDI and love it. But the EPA did change the regs and make high mileage diesles very difficult to conform. There was no 2007 Jetta TDI for that very reason.

I have a better example though, why did a 1984 Dodge Omni get 50mpg (as well as a bunch of other subcompacts) highway and 26 years later they cannot build a gas engine car to compete? EPA!

So now we have to burn 15% more fuel that is marginally cleaner. Still adds to more pollution and more fuel burned.
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We also don't pay close to what Europeans pay at the pump,they have it real bad. When you compare the two,we really can't complain too much. We all know we should be paying 50 cents a gallon,but that's not gonna happen.
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That I would NOT want to be on the same highway with a tractor trailer, dump truck, or even a motorcycle while driving or riding in that phone booth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Huh? They are the same Accord and Civics that ARE on our roads...
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I'd love to have one. The next step after that would be to make my own bio-fuel.
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imperial mpg's
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
Huh? They are the same Accord and Civics that ARE on our roads...
My bad - the "CR-Z" is the one that popped up when I opened the link - VERY small. I could probably "total" it with my bare hands!

I see that YOU were referring to the "Accords" (I have a 2006).

The "Accord" is about as small as I'd be willing to go for safety's sake. We often take the '98 Jeep Cherokee to OBX because I feel much safer than I would in the Accord. Although, the Jeep (4.0L) gets only +- 21mpg on the road and I've gotten 39.4mpg out of the Honda.

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I see that YOU were referring to the "Accords" (I have a 2006).

The "Accord" is about as small as I'd be willing to go for safety's sake. We often take the '98 Jeep Cherokee to OBX because I feel much safer than I would in the Accord. Although, the Jeep (4.0L) gets only +- 21mpg on the road and I've gotten 39.4mpg out of the Honda.

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Please tell me the secret(s) on getting 39.4mpg in your 06 Accord. I have a 05 Accord and the best I get is 29-30mpg. I drive 120 miles everyday and would love to see that kind of mileage.
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Please tell me the secret(s) on getting 39.4mpg in your 06 Accord. I have a 05 Accord and the best I get is 29-30mpg. I drive 120 miles everyday and would love to see that kind of mileage.
Me too.

I have an '07 Accord and I'm only getting 25 mpg. That's strictly driving around town though. No highway driving went into that mpg. Also take into consideration that it's all hills here in southwestern PA. For comparision, the same type of driving in a 1994 Corolla yielded 29 mpg and 30 mpg in an '02 Corolla.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Demeanor View Post
I have a Jetta TDI and love it. But the EPA did change the regs and make high mileage diesles very difficult to conform. There was no 2007 Jetta TDI for that very reason.

I have a better example though, why did a 1984 Dodge Omni get 50mpg (as well as a bunch of other subcompacts) highway and 26 years later they cannot build a gas engine car to compete? EPA!

So now we have to burn 15% more fuel that is marginally cleaner. Still adds to more pollution and more fuel burned.
If I were one of the oil companies that was making a trillion dollars a year in profits sure as sh!t stinks I'd be buttering the government up real good along with the auto industry!

No company should be allowed to make that much profit per year!!!!!
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I would't blame the EPA for the poor mileage we see. I would blame the average dumb American. When presented with a choice, everyone here wants a car that is "peppy" and acceleration is more important than mileage.
I guess the average dumb American didn't notice: prior to GM getting the bail out money their gas mileage on their vehicles was less than from Japan's big three. Now all of a sudden (after the bail out money) all GM advertises is they get better gas mileage than that of Japan's big three. GM is not advertising they are proud of the product they make, how safe their vehicles are, the new improved quality their vehicles are, no they are just saying they have the better mpg than Honda/ Toyota. Well how is it that all of a sudden they can produce the mpg numbers they are??? IMO they HAD to! The market FORCED them to!

We only made the switch to low sulfur diesel a couple of years ago, but in Europe they have had better diesel fuel than us for years. Diesel costs far less to refine, but unless gas goes to $6/gallon and people all of a sudden decide that fuel economy is their number one priority, you won't see teh huge mileage numbers we could be getting if we put our mind to it.
Bio diesel or diesel refined from crude oil has jack sh!t to do with mpg.

It doesn't matter one red cent that diesel costs less to produce than gasoline, how many months was diesel worth more at the pumps than gasoline was these past couple of years??????

Myself, personally, I think you are dead wrong on "we" the consumer wants high horsepower vehicles over fuel efficent vehicles. "I" think it has Everything to do with the pack the oil company has with the auto industry and of course one can't rule out the revenue the government makes off of gas/ road taxes.
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