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Old 05-26-2010, 04:19 PM
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Default The Arizona illegal alien law.....

What's your take on this? From what I understand this law will allow police to check the citizenship status of anyone they come in contact with or at least arrest. It seems to me that this should be standard procedure.

Here is how I feel about it.

If you are stopped, questioned or arrested by police they run your name to see if you have any warrants and to verify identity.

During this process citizenship status should also be checked. If you are here illegally you will fall into one of two categories. But either way you will be held until your status can be situated.

Category One...You are here illegally but you have a legal job and/or are in school, pay your taxes and have no felony arrest record.

Category Two....You have no "on the books" job so you pay no taxes,and/or you have been arrested or are being arrested for a felony. And/or on welfare.

If you fall into Category One you are given an opportunity to you get your citizenship status fixed and you are closely monitored in the process. You have a set amount of time to accomplish this. If you fail to get straightened out you're out.

If you fall into Category Two you're out period!

Why should we waste our time and money putting people through the system if they are not contributing to the system. Take some of the money the state would spend on a trial and jail time and put them on a plane and send them the Eff back.

Too harsh?

Yes...I would like to see this law in Florida.
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Good assessment..I agree...

But I wonder how long it would take for all those category 2 folks to find a way around your scenario?? After all, they have already committed a crime by entering illegally. What would prevent them from finding another flaw in our system and taking advantage of it as well?
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Did you see that video by "The Guy From Boston" on YouTube? Talk about strict immigration policies--he outlined the policy of the Mexican Government. WOW! It's practically a walk in the park in the US compared to that crap.

I'll try to find the link to the video again. It's a good watch...

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EDIT: Here you go. Very interesting.

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I believe it has more to do w/ the extra time, steps and extra paperwork that most LEO Departments just turn their backs.
There is a federal law similar to this one last I knew?
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Originally Posted by triumphrick View Post
Good assessment..I agree...

But I wonder how long it would take for all those category 2 folks to find a way around your scenario?? After all, they have already committed a crime by entering illegally. What would prevent them from finding another flaw in our system and taking advantage of it as well?

Yes, there will always be some that will try to wiggle out of doing the right thing. But I think for the most part people that are here and working and paying taxes they would be willing to fix their legal status, especially if they are basically given a free ride.

There was a story on the local news not to long ago. It was a couple from Columbia that came over like 20 years ago to make a better life. They had two kids here.

The kids are now graduating high school and have scholarships to college. These are people that have real jobs and worked very hard make a good living for their kids and it payed off.

That is until all of a sudden the government decides they must be deported back to Columbia immediately! This means the kids will have no place to go, college is over because no working parents in the US means no money to supplement the scholarships.

Yes, these people came here illegally to seek a better life and raise kids in the best country in the world. Who knows they didn't become citizens, but these are people that should be given a chance to stay instead of simply throwing them out and ruining everything they worked so hard for and the kids futures.
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Yes good summary

My take its probably illegal and is probably not going to be actively enforced - the cops ain't wanna get to involved unless the guy practically volunteers the info - BUT they (Arizona Gov and Legis) know that; and want to force the Feds to give them troops and build a real wall/fence and really really do something.

Good for them - somebody has to get going on this - the Reps want cheap labor and the Dems want voters - without a shove like this they will never have any REAL reform - the reforms they have been talking up till now are just windowdressing
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I'm not in total agreement with your criteria but:

CAT1 - go to the end of the longest line and do it right, behind all the people that were already doing it right. If that's an inconvenience, too bad, work it out.

CAT2 - GTFO.

Not harsh enough.
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We've had illegals under arrest in my department for an offense, located a "hold & notify" order on them issued by ICE and when notified, ICE has told us "Kick 'em loose"

Yep, that is a well oiled system we got here folks...
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Mixed feelings.
By granting amnesty to some you do nothing to discourage others from coming here
"closley monitored" Who exactly would do this? The Feds have proved tima and again that they cant monitor a dam thing. The biggest example is 9/11 to many ego maniacs in high places for agencies to work together and be effective
If you want to come here I think you should have your paperwork started when you get here. If you are in the process of getting 'legal' status I think you should be free to do your thing. There needs to be a consiquence for not following the law. In most countries if you enter illegally and caught you go to jail and or get deported and here you get a notice to appear and if you dont there is really nothing we do to you
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Originally Posted by Marlin009 View Post
I'm not in total agreement with your criteria but:

CAT1 - go to the end of the longest line and do it right, behind all the people that were already doing it right. If that's an inconvenience, too bad, work it out.

CAT2 - GTFO.

Not harsh enough.
Thats pretty much what I was saying, I just put it a little nicer. But I'll agree with your wording,

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We've had illegals under arrest in my department for an offense, located a "hold & notify" order on them issued by ICE and when notified, ICE has told us "Kick 'em loose"

Yep, that is a well oiled system we got here folks...
You have to be kidding me!

So I get stopped on my boat almost every time I take it out so they can see if I am supposed to be here but the illegals they already have in custody they are releasing?

Now I have heard it all. No wonder everyone wants to come here.
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In most countries if you enter illegally and caught you go to jail and or get deported and here you get a notice to appear and if you dont there is really nothing we do to you
I'm sure you actually don't have the facts behind that but, probably with cause, just believe it to be true.

But it is not the case. Most of Europe is dealing with the same issue - if not worse in some countries.

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Originally Posted by tcbetka View Post
Did you see that video by "The Guy From Boston" on YouTube? Talk about strict immigration policies--he outlined the policy of the Mexican Government. WOW! It's practically a walk in the park in the US compared to that crap.

I'll try to find the link to the video again. It's a good watch...

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EDIT: Here you go. Very interesting.
Don't be easily fooled.

If he read out the US law it would sound just as strict. In fact if he read out the immigration laws of any country they would read just as strict.

The key isn't what is written in law but what is enforced.

So he can read a statute and make it sound hard until he is blue in the face, but it means squat unless it's enforced.
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Lets see a show of hands of those that have actually read the law.



90% of the law deals with Employers hiring illegals.
And the law doesn't say that a LEO can go up to any Jose or Hose B and ask them for ID. Not even close. They MUST have probable cause. It's actually nothing that isn't already law to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Menzies View Post
I'm sure you actually don't have the facts behind that but, probably with cause, just believe it to be true.

But it is not that case. Most of Europe is dealing with the same issue - if not worse in some countries.
Dont look at countries a liberal as we are Menzies and you will find it to be true
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Dont look at countries a liberal as we are Menzies and you will find it to be true
I'm game. Name me a country that illegals want to go to that you believe doesn't have an illegal immigrant problem.
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Originally Posted by Menzies View Post
Don't be easily fooled.

SNIP...

The key isn't what is written in law but what is enforced.

SNIP.

That's exactly the point, isn't it...

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Menzies back to the bilge with the other rats. Im not gonna joust with you. There are countries that dont tolerate illegal immagration. I have looked they are there. Go look for yourself .I refuse to do your research for you and I am done with you. Wasted to much time on other posts to go thru it with you anymore. Like do the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. believe what I say or dont I dont care
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Originally Posted by tcbetka View Post
That's exactly the point, isn't it...

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Yep.

And politicians continue to play the game. passing more laws that they know will never be implemented just to make sure that they secure short term votes or score political points.
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I refuse to do your research for you
Why do you have to do any research - you already have the information to hand?

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In most countries if you enter illegally and caught you go to jail and or get deported
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"closley monitored" Who exactly would do this?


The (don't know the proper term) un-removable ankle, wrist, or neck band monitoring system we use for some law breakers that are out on limited freedom, un-supervised release.
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